How is the Tory government doing?

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Sluffy wrote:I wasn't bitching I was simply stating facts.

Wanderlust calls for strong leadership, I ask him who such a person is and he can't name anyone - because there is simply no one about to replace Johnson right now - and that is fundamental to the question I posed namely should Johnson go now or go after the Ukraine situation is stable and secured.

Before he responds - if he does - yes he named Rabb in such a role but we know that was meant sarcastically to avoid giving a genuine answer (which he can't) so I called him out to confirm he genuinely meant that.  He won't do that because -

1 - It isn't true (although he isn't adverse to lying), and,
2 - If he did say he meant it he would know it would be trotted out in future to remind him of what he stated so publicly on here.

He's once again dug a hole for himself...hence his bitching and all that always follows.

Whitesince63 wrote:

I have to agree with Sluffy Karly, Lusty makes these comments without having a credible answer to them. My reason for not wanting a leadership fight now is because I actually believe Boris would win it, exactly because as Sluffy says, there is no obvious strong candidate who could do better. It’s also easy for Lusty to ridicule or overlook just what BoJo has done over the pandemic via the vaccination process and for me the excellent leadership and prompt action he’s taken over Ukraine. His commendation of Sleepy Joe and support for the noted inactivity of key EU states to do their part is lamentable. Austria have confirmed today that Putin won’t turn off their gas and Germany continue to use every bit they can in the hope that the war will be over before they’re forced to. Lusty really does let himself down some times and this I’m afraid is one of them.

‘You’re asking me to pick my favourite flavour of animal poo there’

Carl May is all of us. pic.twitter.com/SU20oOA1Gw
— Laugh And Let Die Entertainment (@LaughLetDie) April 13, 2022

wanderlust wrote:What a load of codswallop! If you failed to pick up on my joke about Raab then the pair of you need to grow up.

Sluffy wrote:I just want to be certain as to who you believe in your own mind you want the country's leader to be because being flippant as you obviously appear to be is simply you trying avoid the questions I've posed above.

wanderlust wrote:What I actually said was that the country is in desperate need of strong leadership at this increasingly difficult time - which to anyone with a brain is a fact.

wanderlust wrote:My actual answer to the question "who should replace Blojo is best expressed by Carl May in his BBC interview (twitter below)

Sluffy wrote:Wanderlust calls for strong leadership, I ask him who such a person is and he can't name anyone - because there is simply no one about to replace Johnson right now - and that is fundamental to the question I posed namely should Johnson go now or go after the Ukraine situation is stable and secured.

Sluffy wrote:You advocate this strong mythical leader but I suspect you have no idea yourself who that could possibly be.

You live in a fantasy world, easy to moan and bitch about the real word but have no idea whatsoever how your fantasy solutions could ever possibly happen.

Sluffy wrote:There's no point reasoning with someone with a closed mind like you but some points you should have considered are these -

1 - Who is this mythical strong leader we should have to take charge now???
2 - We aren't due a general election so if we did change PM it can only be through a change in the Conservative leadership - again who is this mythical strong leader that is going to suddenly appear and sort everything out???

wanderlust wrote:Why that caused you and idiot to write reams and reams of nonsense about that statement is beyond me and idiot's rant deserved a flippant response.

Sluffy wrote:
1 - Who is this mythical strong leader we should have to take charge now???
2 - We aren't due a general election so if we did change PM it can only be through a change in the Conservative leadership - again who is this mythical strong leader that is going to suddenly appear and sort everything out???

Nobody but loonies want Johnson to continue as PM but the bigger question to all this is whether the consequences of doing it now will be greater than the consequences of doing it later, once the situation in the Ukraine has been kept from escalating and has stabilised, secured and is under control.

wanderlust wrote:If either of you think that the country doesn't need strong leadership by all means make your case. Either that or actually take the trouble to read what I said before your knee starts jerking again.

Sluffy wrote:There's no point reasoning with someone with a closed mind like you...

You are absolutely bonkers mate

wanderlust wrote:Telegraph mentions polls.

Unusual inasmuch that polls are temporary- maybe it's just a set up in case the Tories don't lose 800 council seats and the next general election?

Whitesince63 wrote:I tend to agree with that summary Sluffy, I don’t think the Tory’s will lose 800 seats either but how many we need to wait and see. Personally I don’t think it will be enough to see off Boris and if results don’t go badly it will kind of be seen as a mandate for him to carry on. As I’ve said before, I don’t think there will be enough letters going in to force a vote and even if there were I’m sure Boris would stand again and win again. It’s a poor state of affairs I accept but frankly I just don’t see another Tory who could expect to win standing against him.

okocha wrote:Wow! History of Government expert, Lord Hennessy, pulls no punches in criticism of Mr. Johnson:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61134002

wanderlust wrote:
I also agree - as I alluded - the Telegraph were just being sensationalist in order to stimulate their voters to turn out.

As you say White, it's a sad state of affairs when the only reason why we can't get rid of a crap leader is because his own supporters fear that a better alternative (i.e. someone who is not a liar or a criminal) wouldn't have the populist appeal to beat him.

IMO the bigger fear is that the Tories prioritise retaining power at the next election over the wellbeing of the country but I'm sure we differ on that view.

You have in the past suggested a couple of people you think would make a good PM though - are they not viable challengers?

Whitesince63 wrote:
There certainly one or two I could think of Lusty but that’s my own personal view and not necessarily one shared by other Tory members. Of course unless Boris actually resigns and walks away, I can’t see anyone who would beat him if he stood again, which I’m sure he would if it was just a bunch of MPs who forced a vote. As I said, I don’t expect a catastrophic result in the local elections because most votes aren’t in Tory heartlands, so actually Labour may have more to lose if anything. Neither do I think Partygate will do for him unless there are numerous fines and a slaughtering by the Grey report when it airs.

Personally as I’ve said before, I’m really not bothered by Partygate, I think lockdown was a sham anyway and most people broke the rules at some point. I’m more concerned about the cost of living, breaking manifesto promises and the stupid green agenda which nobody voted for. These are the issues that matter to people, not whether a group of workmates had cake and wine after work, or on somebody’s birthday or leaving do. I know Boris made the law and appeared every night to tell us to adhere to it but most didn’t, unless they were forced to for visiting, funerals etc. So I think you’re going to be disappointed because Boris is going nowhere for now.

wanderlust wrote:I think you're missing the point about "Partygate". It's not that he attended - or instigated as some suggest - several parties and received a £50 fine when others were fined thousands that matters.
What matters is that he is the prime minister and he imposed those rules on everyone else. What matters is that he is supposed to lead by example. What matters above all is that he lied to parliament and to the country.

Surely only an idiot would follow a leader that lies to them?

"Right lads. Just jump out of the trench and charge the German lines. It's perfectly safe. I'll be along in a minute."

Sluffy wrote:You do make me laugh though, simply ignoring and pretending my posts don't exist when they completely refute what you say - don't you think everyone else can't see your weird and mental behaviour or something???

Sluffy wrote:

okocha wrote:Wow! History of Government expert, Lord Hennessy, pulls no punches in criticism of Mr. Johnson:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61134002

He is right.

Johnson needs to go.

However with what is happening in Ukraine and no mutually agreeable immediate replacement for him is now the right time to go, or should it wait until things in Ukraine have settled down?

Sluffy wrote:

Sluffy wrote:I just want to be certain as to who you believe in your own mind you want the country's leader to be because being flippant as you obviously appear to be is simply you trying avoid the questions I've posed above.

wanderlust wrote:What I actually said was that the country is in desperate need of strong leadership at this increasingly difficult time - which to anyone with a brain is a fact.

Ok I don't disagree who do you have in mind who could step in to lead the country?

wanderlust wrote:My actual answer to the question "who should replace Blojo is best expressed by Carl May in his BBC interview (twitter below)

Ah, so you've completely no idea who can fill the role - you just want Johnson out no matter what may happen afterwards...

Sluffy wrote:Wanderlust calls for strong leadership, I ask him who such a person is and he can't name anyone - because there is simply no one about to replace Johnson right now - and that is fundamental to the question I posed namely should Johnson go now or go after the Ukraine situation is stable and secured.

Sluffy wrote:You advocate this strong mythical leader but I suspect you have no idea yourself who that could possibly be.

You live in a fantasy world, easy to moan and bitch about the real word but have no idea whatsoever how your fantasy solutions could ever possibly happen.

So as expected you want Johnson gone but you don't know of ANYBODY better to replace him - brilliant!  Your answer to all this is remove Johnson and replace him with someone even shitter!!!

What a masterstroke that will be.