How is the Tory government doing?

Sluffy wrote:

BoltonTillIDie wrote:Stop assuming you know what I am posting.  

I couldn’t be bothered to go through the list and cross referencing them.  I also didn’t state that during every war we had a change of prime minister. I also didn’t state the reason for changing the prime minister was for a domestic reason. 

I simply listed all the Uk conflicts and all the prime ministers, and stated we have changed prime minister several times during a war/conflict.  Which is true.

What was the point of your post then?

I could have done the same but instead of talking about changing Prime Ministers I could instead have talked about changing BWFC managers?

Would that imply that every time there was a war we changed our manager, or only sometimes, or most often not at all?

And when we did was that because of the war or because the football team was bad and the manager got sacked and thus had nothing to do with a war going on at the time, or that the manager wanted to retire at the season and again it had nothing to do with the war at all?

Fair play to you listing out the wars and also linking to a list of all our Prime Ministers but there's not much anyone can gain from it other than that - is that all you wanted people to get from your post or is there a point you are making that I have missed?

It is also true that BWFC have changed managers when there has been a war on - so what though?

wanderlust wrote:
Nobody "voted overwhelmingly for Brexit" White - it was a 2% swing margin and ever since then the numbers who would vote for Brexit again have plummeted to around around 17% of the population. But more to the point, Labour were pro-Brexit weren't they?

My question is why aren't the government running the country? Inflation has just topped 7% and prices are rocketing,  businesses are failing, exports are down, unemployment is rising, crops are being ploughed back into fields, livestock is being slaughtered and not sold, exporters are facing more red tape than ever before and queuing back for miles at the ports, no new trade deals are getting done, GDP has stagnated - WTF are these clowns actually doing about it?

Perhaps the thread title should be changed to "WHAT is the Tory government doing?"

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BoltonTillIDie wrote:

Sluffy wrote:

BoltonTillIDie wrote:Stop assuming you know what I am posting.  

I couldn’t be bothered to go through the list and cross referencing them.  I also didn’t state that during every war we had a change of prime minister. I also didn’t state the reason for changing the prime minister was for a domestic reason. 

I simply listed all the Uk conflicts and all the prime ministers, and stated we have changed prime minister several times during a war/conflict.  Which is true.

What was the point of your post then?

I could have done the same but instead of talking about changing Prime Ministers I could instead have talked about changing BWFC managers?

Would that imply that every time there was a war we changed our manager, or only sometimes, or most often not at all?

And when we did was that because of the war or because the football team was bad and the manager got sacked and thus had nothing to do with a war going on at the time, or that the manager wanted to retire at the season and again it had nothing to do with the war at all?

Fair play to you listing out the wars and also linking to a list of all our Prime Ministers but there's not much anyone can gain from it other than that - is that all you wanted people to get from your post or is there a point you are making that I have missed?

It is also true that BWFC have changed managers when there has been a war on - so what though?

You said we shouldn’t change PM during the current climates.  I think at least 1 other said the same, mums point was we have changed during a war before so we could easily do again.  Being in the current situation with everything is not a valid reason to not have a change.  In my opinion of course

Sluffy wrote:

Norpig wrote:Breaking news it that BoJo and Sunak have been fined as part of the lockdown parties enquiry. Surely they must both step down now?

In normal times then yes they certainly should.

However is in the middle of a war the right time to do it?

Do we really want a leadership election and no one in control until that's decided?

Is Liz Truss who is probably the favourite right now, who we want to head the country at this time?

Breaking news as I type Carrie has also received a lockdown fine.

BoltonTillIDie wrote:In normal times then yes they certainly should.

Norpig wrote:What is Boris actually doing to help Ukraine that anyone else elected as PM couldn't do though? His government are making it extremely difficult for the refugees to get here and we are not supplying the Ukrainian military with weapons are we?

If it's true that he could be getting at least another 2 fines then what happens then? He and his party are just laughing at us and getting away with whatever they want.

Whitesince63 wrote:As a Tory, am I happy with Boris, No? Do I think Partygate was disrespectful and disingenuous, yes of course I do. Do I think that he’s delivered on Brexit, No? Do I think he’s gone back on clear Manifesto promises like Tax and the Triple Lock, yes? Do I think he deserves to continue as PM, No but do I think he should go right now, No I don’t? I’ve said all along that the lockdown itself was a catastrophic mistake and totally and completely unnecessary. The governments refusal to listen to alternative views to the Sage “experts” bordered on criminal itself. More lives were both lost and ruined because of it than saved and we’ve now ended up with not just huge debt, uneducated kids, record mental health levels, businesses closed and also an NHS waiting list of historic levels. Yes Boris should go but not right now. Let’s find out the full details of Partygate first, the May election results and hopefully an end to the war in Ukraine. Then will be the time for change but not now.

wanderlust wrote:What difference will it make if he goes right now?
None.

There is nothing he can do that a replacement can't and anyway Ukraine isn't taking up all his time by a long chalk - our troops aren't actually fighting and yet in previous wars where we have had soldiers dying and massive military operations going on, changing the PM has never been an issue.

The USA is sending Ukraine heavy artillery and armoured vehicles, the EU are sending air defence systems, anti tank missiles and munitions as we are so what more is there to be done?

Meanwhile here in the UK, the economy is crashing on several fronts and we are desperately in need of a government that faces up to our problems before we turn into a third world country and won't be in a position to help ourselves, let alone anyone else.

At a time when Britain needs strong leadership we have an ostrich with his head in the sand who hasn't got the nads to face up to the issues that are worsening every day - and cynically using the suffering in Ukraine as a distraction from the problems he has been instrumental in creating.

Sluffy wrote:

There's no point reasoning with someone with a closed mind like you but some points you should have considered are these -

1 - Who is this mythical strong leader we should have to take charge now???
2 - We aren't due a general election so if we did change PM it can only be through a change in the Conservative leadership - again who is this mythical strong leader that is going to suddenly appear and sort everything out???
3 - If in your 'know it all' opinion that America and the EU have done all that is needed to prop Ukraine up then why have we even bothered doing what we've done in supplying the armaments that we have?  Could it be perhaps because we can supply them immediately whilst the US and EU need to go through their constitutional procedures whilst we are able to do so under the PM's executive powers?
4 - And yes, there isn't anything Johnson can do that a replacement PM can't do BUT there won't be a replacement PM for a month or so - and in the interim all new aid to the Ukraine will be stopped or delayed.

Nobody but loonies want Johnson to continue as PM but the bigger question to all this is whether the consequences of doing it now will be greater than the consequences of doing it later, once the situation in the Ukraine has been kept from escalating and has stabilised, secured and is under control.

wanderlust wrote:

Sluffy wrote:

There's no point reasoning with someone with a closed mind like you but some points you should have considered are these -

1 - Who is this mythical strong leader we should have to take charge now???
2 - We aren't due a general election so if we did change PM it can only be through a change in the Conservative leadership - again who is this mythical strong leader that is going to suddenly appear and sort everything out???
3 - If in your 'know it all' opinion that America and the EU have done all that is needed to prop Ukraine up then why have we even bothered doing what we've done in supplying the armaments that we have?  Could it be perhaps because we can supply them immediately whilst the US and EU need to go through their constitutional procedures whilst we are able to do so under the PM's executive powers?
4 - And yes, there isn't anything Johnson can do that a replacement PM can't do BUT there won't be a replacement PM for a month or so - and in the interim all new aid to the Ukraine will be stopped or delayed.

Nobody but loonies want Johnson to continue as PM but the bigger question to all this is whether the consequences of doing it now will be greater than the consequences of doing it later, once the situation in the Ukraine has been kept from escalating and has stabilised, secured and is under control.

Why Dominic Raab obviously!
He's always wanted the job, is in pole position as Deputy Dawg and has no moral scruples whatsoever so he's perfectly qualified.
That said, White has a (diminishing) list of contenders....

Sluffy wrote:

So in your opinion Rabb is the strong leader you are crying out for who will make everything right.

I just want to be certain as to who you believe in your own mind you want the country's leader to be because being flippant as you obviously appear to be is simply you trying avoid the questions I've posed above.

You advocate this strong mythical leader but I suspect you have no idea yourself who that could possibly be.

You live in a fantasy world, easy to moan and bitch about the real word but have no idea whatsoever how your fantasy solutions could ever possibly happen.

Go on then, confirm unequivocally that Rabb is the leader you want to magically put everything right.

wanderlust wrote:

Sluffy wrote:

So in your opinion Rabb is the strong leader you are crying out for who will make everything right.

I just want to be certain as to who you believe in your own mind you want the country's leader to be because being flippant as you obviously appear to be is simply you trying avoid the questions I've posed above.

You advocate this strong mythical leader but I suspect you have no idea yourself who that could possibly be.

You live in a fantasy world, easy to moan and bitch about the real word but have no idea whatsoever how your fantasy solutions could ever possibly happen.

Go on then, confirm unequivocally that Rabb is the leader you want to magically put everything right.

You are an idiot.
Obviously you don't get it so why don't you go find a 4 year old child to explain it you?