Could You Vote UKIP?

Natasha Whittam wrote:

bwfc1874 wrote:tighter controls need to be implemented no doubt but UKIPs freeze on all immigration is by no means the answer.

It's a good starting point. It's difficult to get into Australia but they're probably the richest country on Earth right now.

IT's difficult to get into Aus because of the points based system, which I agree should be implemented in this country. If I recall correctly, the Labour government wanted us to adopt the same menthod just before the last election.

Leeds_Trotter wrote:
Not at all, why not go invade another country for it's oil? If we as a country can benefit from something then let's do it. It's a dog eat dog world, you should always look out for yourself.

What a role model you will be for your future children.

Leeds_Trotter wrote:Who give's a hoot about the Iraq? I agree as to the true reason we went there. If our country can benefit from something, then why the hell not do it? At the end of the day they were looking out for the countires best interests, which I think is a good thing at the end of the day.

Congratulations, your a dick


- 110,937–121,227 civilian deaths from violence

- 179 British Military Deaths

Leeds_Trotter wrote: If I recall correctly, the Labour government wanted us to adopt the same menthod just before the last election.

Bollocks. Immigration blew up under the Labour government, they had 12+ years to sort it out but just made it worse.

Lofty_Love wrote:

Leeds_Trotter wrote:Who give's a hoot about the Iraq? I agree as to the true reason we went there. If our country can benefit from something, then why the hell not do it? At the end of the day they were looking out for the countires best interests, which I think is a good thing at the end of the day.

Congratulations, your a dick


- 110,937–121,227 civilian deaths from violence

- 179 British Military Deaths

You are a dick

bwfc1874 wrote:

Leeds_Trotter wrote:Who give's a hoot about the Iraq? I agree as to the true reason we went there. If our country can benefit from something, then why the hell not do it? At the end of the day they were looking out for the countires best interests, which I think is a good thing at the end of the day.

A lot of people give a hoot about Iraq, and British lives were lost for a reason that turned out to be complete bullshit not to mention countless Iraqis you're completely wrong it was not a good thing.

IMO opinion, the army is there for a reason. People who sign up to the army and not expect to go to war when the countires best interests are at stake should have chosen to do something else in life. Yes I respect what they do for the country, but nobody makes them sign up to the forces, they do it off their own back, knowing full well that when called up on they will have to fight for this country be it fighting so that the country can benefit or fighting to defend our country.

Tony Blair should be done for war crimes.

His antics when he was younger are quite interesting too.

Charles Lynton, which are Blairs middle names, was fined £50 in court in 1983 for soliciting in public toilets.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Leeds_Trotter wrote: If I recall correctly, the Labour government wanted us to adopt the same menthod just before the last election.

Bollocks. Immigration blew up under the Labour government, they had 12+ years to sort it out but just made it worse.

The main reason for this is because we joined the EU, which is what everyone wanted at the time.

Leeds_Trotter wrote:Not at all, why not go invade another country for it's oil? If we as a country can benefit from something then let's do it. It's a dog eat dog world, you should always look out for yourself.

Leeds Trotter, I quite like your trainers. Clearly you won't mind if I bash your head in and just take them?

Its nothing to do with how people feel about being in the army, its the fact so many people have been killed because of greed and the whole country was lied to about the reasons. And then people like you decide its okay because 'its dog eat dog'. Amazing.

Leeds_Trotter wrote:

bwfc1874 wrote:

Leeds_Trotter wrote:Who give's a hoot about the Iraq? I agree as to the true reason we went there. If our country can benefit from something, then why the hell not do it? At the end of the day they were looking out for the countires best interests, which I think is a good thing at the end of the day.

A lot of people give a hoot about Iraq, and British lives were lost for a reason that turned out to be complete bullshit not to mention countless Iraqis you're completely wrong it was not a good thing.

IMO opinion, the army is there for a reason. People who sign up to the army and not expect to go to war when the countires best interests are at stake should have chosen to do something else in life. Yes I respect what they do for the country, but nobody makes them sign up to the forces, they do it off their own back, knowing full well that when called up on they will have to fight for this country be it fighting so that the country can benefit or fighting to defen our country.

Your a fucking idiot.

What about the 110,937–121,227 civilian deaths?


You sound like you were brought up in Yates's Bar.

Lyric Todkill wrote:

Leeds_Trotter wrote:

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Leeds_Trotter wrote:

Been born in 1991 most my life I have lived under a Labour govrnment and I haven't really had any complaints as to how the standard of living has been over them years.

You idiot, you lived with your Mum through the Labour government. She probably worked two jobs to buy your iPod and your porn mags while she wore rags and read last weeks newspapers.

No not at all, my mother raised me and my brother on her own, and we never went without. Yes, my mother did work, but only one job and always made miricles happen with what she had. She always raised us to never be stupid with money and always showed us that if we wanted something, you'd have to work hard and save for it. My mother has never had a well paid job, but she always lived with in her means and never got into debt. As soon as I went to college I got myself a job and worked the days I didn't go to college ever since then I have always had a job and used what my mum taught me as a kid to become the person I am today. Everyone I speak to say the years Blair were incharge were some of the best years in recent times, and I would agree with that.

Amusing thing is that your values seem to be more conservative rather than socialist.

We are now paying heavily for the deluded Blair years.

I hope life brings you success, LT

I agree with you Lyric.

Leeds your up brining and ethics sound about the same as many of us I would guess - particularly my own (although both my parents were there to raise me).

I've always believed in fairness and equality and I was a very strong Labour party supported for a long period of my life but there came a time were I realised that the social welfare systems were no longer there to help people to help themselves but had some how become a thing that people believed they had a right to, without ever wanting to put anything in the pot for it.

What was the point in me breaking my back in work to pay taxes when people fully believed they had the lifestyle choice not to work and live permanently on benefits that I and all the rest of the people who were working, were paying for?

Then it began to dawn on me that schools, hospitals, the local GP's, the refuse collection service, social housing and many, many more things were being stretched to the limit and beyond when economic immigrants from overseas were simply turning up in this country to claim, benefits, housing, healthcare, education for their children etc, all for free, and all without paying a penny into the system!

I've seen schools fail our kids because they are having to cope with kids who don't have English as a first language. I've seen hospital queue spiral out of control as people come to this country specifically for the free NHS treatment. I've seen people virtually give up hope of getting Council Housing as foreign families with multiple kids turn up from abroad and take priority. I've seen Council Tax bills rocket because of all the immigrants creating such a strain on domestic services such as waste collection and disposal.

I can well understand why people are moving away from Labour like I did - to help people is one think - to be taken advantaged of and doing nothing about it is completely another.

Vote as your heart tells you Leeds and I too hope life brings you success but think of the future too and what your kids (God willing) will one day have to face.

Sluffy - getting off his soapbox now!

bwfc1874 wrote:Its nothing to do with how people feel about being in the army, its the fact so many people have been killed because of greed and the whole country was lied to about the reasons. And then people like you decide its okay because 'its dog eat dog'. Amazing.

Imagine the government is our parent. As a parent, it is your duty to do what is right for your children no matter what. You must do everything in your power to give them a good standard of living and do whatever it takes to make sure they are ok which is what they were doing for us. Us and America felt we could benefit from going in there and doing what we did and I for one don't see anything wrong with that. It is a free world and nobody is entitled or has the right to claim a natural resource as theirs. Therefore we took it upon ourself to take something that doesn't belong to anybody. Ok, maybe they went about it the wrong way by using something else as an excuse, but can you imagine the uproar there would have been by the whole world if we said right we are going to invade this country to get ourselves some oil.

Leeds_Trotter wrote:Imagine the government is our parent. As a parent, it is your duty to do what is right for your children no matter what. You must do everything in your power to give them a good standard of living and do whatever it takes to make sure they are ok which is what they were doing for us. Us and America felt we could benefit from going in there and doing what we did and I for one don't see anything wrong with that. It is a free world and nobody is entitled or has the right to claim a natural resource as theirs. Therefore we took it upon ourself to take something that doesn't belong to anybody. Ok, maybe they went about it the wrong way by using something else as an excuse, but can you imagine the uproar there would have been by the whole world if we said right we are going to invade this country to get ourselves some oil.

I don't have the energy to respond to that load of bollocks. What do they teach the young in schools these days?

You don't see anything wrong with what we did in Iraq? You must be joking.

How would you react if China (for eg) just came and bombed us to shit and killed 40 million people because they liked our strawberries.

That last post is either someone wumming or someone with fucked up ideas of what's ok.

Leeds_Trotter wrote:

bwfc1874 wrote:Its nothing to do with how people feel about being in the army, its the fact so many people have been killed because of greed and the whole country was lied to about the reasons. And then people like you decide its okay because 'its dog eat dog'. Amazing.

Imagine the government is our parent. As a parent, it is your duty to do what is right for your children no matter what. You must do everything in your power to give them a good standard of living and do whatever it takes to make sure they are ok which is what they were doing for us. Us and America felt we could benefit from going in there and doing what we did and I for one don't see anything wrong with that. It is a free world and nobody is entitled or has the right to claim a natural resource as theirs. Therefore we took it upon ourself to take something that doesn't belong to anybody. Ok, maybe they went about it the wrong way by using something else as an excuse, but can you imagine the uproar there would have been by the whole world if we said right we are going to invade this country to get ourselves some oil.

Your own attempt to justify it doesn't even work.

Its a war crime.

I think it would be more fitting to imagine the government as our alcoholic crack addict dad who kills local kids to steal their mobiles to sell on for more crack leaving us at home to starve.

What your thinking of is a government who has the capability of building a financially strong economy without committing atrocities of war.


But like you say it was probably in our best interests, we have been reaping the rewards with record high fuel prices and a huge recession, top stuff.

Lofty_Love wrote:

Leeds_Trotter wrote:

bwfc1874 wrote:Its nothing to do with how people feel about being in the army, its the fact so many people have been killed because of greed and the whole country was lied to about the reasons. And then people like you decide its okay because 'its dog eat dog'. Amazing.

Imagine the government is our parent. As a parent, it is your duty to do what is right for your children no matter what. You must do everything in your power to give them a good standard of living and do whatever it takes to make sure they are ok which is what they were doing for us. Us and America felt we could benefit from going in there and doing what we did and I for one don't see anything wrong with that. It is a free world and nobody is entitled or has the right to claim a natural resource as theirs. Therefore we took it upon ourself to take something that doesn't belong to anybody. Ok, maybe they went about it the wrong way by using something else as an excuse, but can you imagine the uproar there would have been by the whole world if we said right we are going to invade this country to get ourselves some oil.

Your own attempt to justify it doesn't even work.

Its a war crime.

I think it would be more fitting to imagine the government as our alcoholic crack addict dad who kills local kids to steal their mobiles to sell on for more crack leaving us at home to starve.

What your thinking of is a government who has the capability of building a financially strong economy without committing atrocities of war.


But like you say it was probably in our best interests, we have been reaping the rewards with record high fuel prices and a huge recession, top stuff.

Yes because it's only our country that has been hit by a recession.

Yes I could and would vote UKIP- they are the only ones who will stand up for this small island with it's diminishing resources. At some stage we've got to pull up the drawbridge and say enough.

Our economy is now service based -and that can move anywhere in the world. When oil runs out we've not much left -and we'll go into an economic downward spiral. The Tories are flailing about at anything they think will get votes (e.g -the Bac in education,gay marriage etc.)

The threat of Labour- the Milliballs frightens the life out of me. I have a few bob stashed away from savings (on already taxed income) and that shower will want that off me to pay for their parasitic voters.

I couldn't vote Lib Dem as they'd show their collective arse on the town hall steps for a fiver.

That leaves UKIP- who might just put up a fight for the home grown Brits

Leeds_Trotter wrote:

bwfc1874 wrote:Its nothing to do with how people feel about being in the army, its the fact so many people have been killed because of greed and the whole country was lied to about the reasons. And then people like you decide its okay because 'its dog eat dog'. Amazing.

Imagine the government is our parent. As a parent, it is your duty to do what is right for your children no matter what. You must do everything in your power to give them a good standard of living and do whatever it takes to make sure they are ok which is what they were doing for us. Us and America felt we could benefit from going in there and doing what we did and I for one don't see anything wrong with that. It is a free world and nobody is entitled or has the right to claim a natural resource as theirs. Therefore we took it upon ourself to take something that doesn't belong to anybody. Ok, maybe they went about it the wrong way by using something else as an excuse, but can you imagine the uproar there would have been by the whole world if we said right we are going to invade this country to get ourselves some oil.

I really didn't think anybody could be this much of a twat to be honest.

You think 100,000 lives are expendable because you get your petrol slightly cheaper, do you really think we'd be living in poverty had we not invaded Iraq? The standard of living would have been the exact same.

If a natural resource is in a country it belongs to that country whatever you may have decided in some twisted way to justify it.

The right thing to do wasn't to tell the whole world we wanted oil, it was never to invade at all.