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okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/16/harry-meghan-media-critics-worse

Article witten by columnist Marina Hyde just before the court ruling in favour of Meghan in her suit against The Daily Mail re privacy. Explains why the Mail is so incensed and derogatory.They were ordered to publish the judge's findings in their paper every day for a week.

(I did edit the article to keep it relevant and not over-long, but Sluffy did not approve the edited version without a link for the site.)



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Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Norpig wrote:I actually posted earlier about me struggling at the moment due to a few different things then deleted it as i was embarrassed which kind of proves my point. People are too afraid to say anything for fear of ridicule or to be accused of milking it.

I didn't see your earlier post, but rest assured you are not alone and shouldn't be embarrassed. I have suffered with mental health problems for a few years now, I've been in dark places (not Bonce's attic) that I never want to go back to - but each day is a struggle to avoid going back there.

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Natasha Whittam wrote:

I didn't see your earlier post, but rest assured you are not alone and shouldn't be embarrassed. I have suffered with mental health problems for a few years now, I've been in dark places (not Bonce's attic) that I never want to go back to - but each day is a struggle to avoid going back there.
Thanks Nat, much appreciated!

It was the second anniversary of my Mum passing away at the weekend and work is really getting me down so i am feeling low at the moment.

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@Norpig wrote:I actually posted earlier about me struggling at the moment due to a few different things then deleted it as i was embarrassed which kind of proves my point. People are too afraid to say anything for fear of ridicule or to be accused of milking it.

I'm sorry to hear you are/have been going through a rough time, I'm sure we all wish you well.

I think though we are talking about two different things here though, the first is whether Megan was basically telling lies - which to my mind she was - and the second 'genuine' mental illness - which was the topic she told her lie about.

If she told a lie about one thing in her interview, then what other things did she say that was untrue also?

The fact that she played both the mental health 'card' (and the race card - and the reply from the 'firm' was very telling I thought - "some recollections may vary..." - which is clear code for 'that's a huge, whopping fib'!!!) meant that 'calling out the lies' WASN'T a pop at having mental illness, or those who may suffer from it.

Unfortunately things are getting to the point it seems where anything and everything is seen as 'PC' these days by some/many.

Morgan was to my mind calling out the lie and was in no way demeaning the illness.

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Nat and Norpig, my condolences to you both....

...and for Meghan to be accused of lying about her perfectly understandable issues with the way she has been treated must be incredibly upsetting.
 
Time for some kindness and an apology or two from the Piers and the media, but I very much doubt that any will be forthcoming.



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boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Sluffy, that's complete and utter nonsense. I'm not getting involved in this, for reasons which are rather personal.

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@Natasha Whittam wrote:
@Norpig wrote:I actually posted earlier about me struggling at the moment due to a few different things then deleted it as i was embarrassed which kind of proves my point. People are too afraid to say anything for fear of ridicule or to be accused of milking it.

I didn't see your earlier post, but rest assured you are not alone and shouldn't be embarrassed. I have suffered with mental health problems for a few years now, I've been in dark places (not Bonce's attic) that I never want to go back to - but each day is a struggle to avoid going back there.

I don't always believe what you post but as with Norpig, I, and no doubt the rest of the forum, wish you well in your battle with your mental health problems and truly hope you vanquish them soon if you have not already done so.

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
People using the phrase mental health card are not helping either though are they? The establishment are never going to admit to brushing someones mental health under the carpet are they?

I've had a few people i knew fairly well over the years commit suicide in the last 10 years, all men all around my age who probably felt they couldn't talk about it and suffered for it. 

I'm not saying Megan is an angel in all this i just feel we have to be careful about calling out people when they claim they have issues as it makes other people not in the public eye reticent about looking for help.

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@boltonbonce wrote:Sluffy, that's complete and utter nonsense. I'm not getting involved in this, for reasons which are rather personal.

Fair enough if that's your opinion.

The point I see was Morgan calling out the lie and NOT demeaning the illness.

Hope whatever is behind your personal reasons are resolved happily and as quickly as is possible for all concerned.

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
It's very important that people who are struggling with their mental health should be listened to but not everyone is Megan Markel or has a history with Piers Morgan which was the context within which his comment/opinion about her credibility was made.

If the starting point is that you believe someone to be a pathological liar it seems reasonable to question any statements they make - especially if they make them very publicly, in a context of having personal gain from making those statements.

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
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@boltonbonce wrote:Sluffy, that's complete and utter nonsense. I'm not getting involved in this, for reasons which are rather personal.
:clap:

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
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Ten Bobsworth


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@Sluffy wrote:

I'm sorry to hear you are/have been going through a rough time, I'm sure we all wish you well.

I think though we are talking about two different things here though, the first is whether Megan was basically telling lies - which to my mind she was - and the second 'genuine' mental illness - which was the topic she told her lie about.

If she told a lie about one thing in her interview, then what other things did she say that was untrue also?

The fact that she played both the mental health 'card' (and the race card - and the reply from the 'firm' was very telling I thought - "some recollections may vary..." - which is clear code for 'that's a huge, whopping fib'!!!) meant that 'calling out the lies' WASN'T a pop at having mental illness, or those who may suffer from it.

Unfortunately things are getting to the point it seems where anything and everything is seen as 'PC' these days by some/many.

Morgan was to my mind calling out the lie and was in no way demeaning the illness.
Playing every card she could muster, Sluffy. The phrase 'the firm', in the US (and for quite a few this side of the pond), is synonymous with the firm of crooked lawyers in the film based on John Grisham's book of the same name. Isn't that why she gleefully likes to trot it out?

Btw remember the 'blatant' insider dealing charlatan I mentioned. His mother was national chairman of MIND when he was appointed its Legal Director with no professional qualifications in law.



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okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@Sluffy wrote:

Fair enough if that's your opinion.

The point I see was Morgan calling out the lie and NOT demeaning the illness.

Hope whatever is behind your personal reasons are resolved happily and as quickly as is possible for all concerned.

Sluffy, no offence but I don't think you can have followed the press coverage of the Sussexes from way back when the media attacks began. 

The media are playing the "Freedom of Speech" card with no regard for the truth or others' feelings. The only concern of the gutter press is to sell newspapers.

Read Marina Hyde's article which I have now copied in full, as you asked me to.

Sluffy

Sluffy
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@Norpig wrote:People using the phrase mental health card are not helping either though are they? The establishment are never going to admit to brushing someones mental health under the carpet are they?

I've had a few people i knew fairly well over the years commit suicide in the last 10 years, all men all around my age who probably felt they couldn't talk about it and suffered for it. 

I'm not saying Megan is an angel in all this i just feel we have to be careful about calling out people when they claim they have issues as it makes other people not in the public eye reticent about looking for help.

I don't want to push this as clearly it is a sensative area for you.

The point I was making was that if you had unlimited time and funds to do something about it - and Megan and Harry had - wouldn't you do something about it yourself then?

If you've asked for help from the people you employ - which these people are - and they have said they couldn't, then wouldn't you have done something to sort it out yourself - how hard would it be to see your GP for instance and we are talking Harley Street and not the locum at the local NHS surgery?

Of course you would, you wouldn't just accept it would you - because you have the money and time to see the very best in the world - so why didn't they do something to help her get well then?

Doesn't make any sense if she really was unwell does it?

That's the point and it is in no way having a pop at mental illness or the people who suffer from it.

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
But at the time Meghan would probably have been the most photographed person in the world and constantly in the public eye. It would have been noticed if she had gone to a clinic or similar for that exact reason and i can well believe the senior officials wouldn't have wanted that to get out as it would have reflected very badly on the Royal family.

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@okocha wrote:
@Sluffy wrote:

Fair enough if that's your opinion.

The point I see was Morgan calling out the lie and NOT demeaning the illness.

Hope whatever is behind your personal reasons are resolved happily and as quickly as is possible for all concerned.

Sluffy, no offence but I don't think you can have followed the press coverage of the Sussexes from way back when the media attacks began. 

The media are playing the "Freedom of Speech" card with no regard for the truth or others' feelings. The only concern of the gutter press is to sell newspapers.

Read Marina Hyde's article which I have now copied in full, as you asked me to.

I asked you to provide links, I'm indifferent if you posted the article out in full or not.

The press coverage of Harry and Megan is irrelevant to the facts, or at least what she/they claimed about her mental health issue - if you are ill and you have the money - you get treatment - the best in the world is what they could afford - so the simple question is, why didn't they?

Think what you will about the press but there are far more stories they know about and don't print, than the ones they do.

If Megan had treatment for mental health issues that would not be seen as a published story in this country, that's for certain.

Would a loving multi-millionaire let his wife suffer with mental illness after his employee's said that they weren't in a position to help her, when he could buy the best care for her anywhere in the world immeadiately.

The story just doesn't stack up does it?

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@Norpig wrote:
@wanderlust wrote:I'm still struggling to understand how Morgan saying that he doesn't believe her (i.e. questioning her honesty/credibility) can in any way be construed as an attack on the seriousness of mental health issues.

Totally unrelated issues as far as I can tell.

I'd have to disagree Lusty, they are linked. It sends out the wrong message that people with genuine mental health issues will feel they can't share their feelings in case they get told to man up or similar or told they are lying or exaggerating their problems.

I agree. This is why I feel Morgan's position was untenable.

I am loving all this shit though between those two twats and the Royal family.

It's about time they gave us some entertainment value for the money they get.

What a circus! Very Happy

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Media outlets and some of "The Firm" have not learned from Diana's death, and ignored or failed to implement the civilising recommendations of the Leveson Report, following the phone-hacking scandal.

My own point is that not one of us knows the truth of the matter and so should not speculate as the press does and risk harming people with genuine mental health issues. which can't possibly have been helped in recent days and weeks.

My thoughts are with you too, Bonce, as well as with Norpig and Nat

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@Norpig wrote:But at the time Meghan would probably have been the most photographed person in the world and constantly in the public eye. It would have been noticed if she had gone to a clinic or similar for that exact reason and i can well believe the senior officials wouldn't have wanted that to get out as it would have reflected very badly on the Royal family.

Mate, Princess Di was even more famous and had numerous affairs with married men whilst still married to Charles - and non of that got out until long after her divorce!

Steven Fry and many, many, other world famous people have gone public about their mental health issues and they are applauded for speaking out about it, in fact have championed the cause.

Megan could have been the global ambassador bringing huge awareness to the illness even!

The bottom line is that if your wife was ill and you had the money and time to help her get better you would - wouldn't you.

Why then did Harry not get her well first and worry about the press afterwards?

Doesn't add up does it?



Google link to famous people who have suffered from depression -

https://www.google.co.uk/search?ei=BuRIYIybBYe0gQbSpILgDg&q=which+famous+people+suffer+from+depression&oq=which+famous+people+suffer+from+depression&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAw6BQgAEJECOggIABCxAxCDAToCCAA6CwguELEDEMcBEKMCOgQIABBDOgUIABCxAzoOCC4QxwEQrwEQkQIQkwI6BQgAEMkDOgUIABCSAzoCCC5QpmFYyfQBYLKKAmgAcAB4AIABlAGIAYMbkgEEMzUuOJgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwiMtvfKg6bvAhUHWsAKHVKSAOwQ4dUDCA4

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf


Let's just chill.

T.R.O.Y.


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
Amazing how many people are certain about something they clearly know fuck all about. 

That’s something I downright hate.

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@T.R.O.Y. wrote:Amazing how many people are certain about something they clearly know fuck all about. 

That’s something I downright hate.

That's exactly my point!!   (but expressed neatly in far fewer words!)

:agree:

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@T.R.O.Y. wrote:Amazing how many people are certain about something they clearly know fuck all about. 

That’s something I downright hate.

As wonderfully demonstrated by your goodself on the Croynism thread where you showed your complete ignorance on a whole range of stuff, not least the differnce in functions between elected representatives and the permanent public servants.

Didn't stop you arguing for days on end though did it!

Any evidence found of all this alleged croynism yet, even just one shred of hard evidence...?

Let me answer for you...

...nothing at all so far, other than procedural recording of documents not published within the required guidelines.

Oh and despite all the faux anger and indignation from Team Maugham and 'friends', not one single person has raised any objection on any of the contracts that have since been published - almost as though there was never anything 'hidden' deliberately in the first place and no croynism having taken place at all!

Amazing really when you believe the government to be so corrupt!

@T.R.O.Y. wrote:This government are demonstrably incompetent and in my view crooked.

Very Happy







T.R.O.Y.


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
How bored are you at the moment that you want to dig up that topic? I’ve explained my position to you, we’ve established you don’t have a position. 

Unless you have something to add (on the relevant thread) then why not just drop it?

You were once a decent poster but now this character you play is either a complete idiot or a wind up merchant.

xmiles

xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
Jay Jay Okocha
Getting back on topic, lying bastards lying who won't admit they are lying.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56350476

okocha

okocha
Andy Walker
Andy Walker
I see that the Society of Editors' boss, Ian Murray, has been forced to resign afer being grilled by the BBC's (and  Holcombe Brook's own!) presenter, Victoria Derbyshire, where he was unable to defend various examples of racism and bigotry in the press.......rather proving Harry's assertion about why he and Meghan felt as they did.

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@T.R.O.Y. wrote:How bored are you at the moment that you want to dig up that topic? I’ve explained my position to you, we’ve established you don’t have a position. 

Unless you have something to add (on the relevant thread) then why not just drop it?

You were once a decent poster but now this character you play is either a complete idiot or a wind up merchant.

Hahaha!

I didn't have a position???

Ok if that's what you want to believe.

The position I apparently didn't have was that MP's don't award contracts, it is civil servants that do - so if there was any 'cronyism' on the award of contracts, then it could only happen with a civil servants involvement and I don't believe you get that high up in the civil service if you are so corrupt as to be able to risk your career and civil service pension by doing something so stupid.

I said at the outset I stood to be proven wrong - and so far I haven't been - in fact if you actually read the judge's written judgement on the Judicial review to date - and I have, he has been quite complimentary to the key civil servant who was responsible for the decissions taken - the one if you will who had their head on the chopping block.  In fact Good Law Projects own Counsel didn't challenge him at all and took ever word he said to be honest and truthful - as did the judge too.

Quite a compliment in my eyes to the public servants honesty and integrity and a credit to his profession.  It certainly impressed me fwiw.

There was no criticism of the civil service, they did their jobs honestly and without bias - but the test to which the case had to be measured against were was the statutory publishing targets met? - which everyone knew before the judicial review was sought by Maugham that they hadn't, and accordingly that was the point the government lost on - which was always going to be the end result.

You asked some days back why the government contested the review - I believe Hancock reply was to refer the question back to Maguham for brining the review in the first place - knowing what the outcome was always going to be.

It was defended 'in the public interest' funnily enough - it was done so that the process could be laid bare in court - nothing hidden so to speak.

Everything could be inspected to show there was no corruption having taken place, no dodgy dealings and no secret handshakes, or whatever.

It cost the country money in losing the case but rather that and to be seen to be 'honest' in their workings than to have the constant slur of corruption and cronyism hanging over it as Maugham had seemingly got most people (including you!) believing it was (and many still believing it still is).

I still await anyone finding that smoking gun that cronyism did occur, you would have thought somebody would have found something by now wouldn't you?

I know I would after nearly a year of people looking around for something definitive to skewer the government on other than inuendo all the time

As for being a decent poster or not, frankly I don't care.

What is important to me is being honest - and I have always been that.

View me as a troll, idiot or whatever you care to believe, don't believe a word I write if you don't want to - non of it will change the fact that what I post is truthful.

If you or anyone else think I post bollocks then fine, it's only the internet.

Enjoy the rest of your evening.

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin
@okocha wrote:I see that the Society of Editors' boss, Ian Murray, has been forced to resign afer being grilled by the BBC's (and  Holcombe Brook's own!) presenter, Victoria Derbyshire, where he was unable to defend various examples of racism and bigotry in the press.......rather proving Harry's assertion about why he and Meghan felt as they did.

Car crash of an interview!

As for Harry's assertion, do you real believe The Times, The Guardian, The Telegraph, The FT, The Observer or even the Bolton News for example to be racist and bigoted because I certainly don't?


Ten Bobsworth


Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@Sluffy wrote:

Car crash of an interview!

As for Harry's assertion, do you real believe The Times, The Guardian, The Telegraph, The FT, The Observer or even the Bolton News for example to be racist and bigoted because I certainly don't?




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