Should we be fighting in Syria?

Stop being a knob and watch this:

Yes, because shit posted on YouTube is always right.

If you honestly think the way to tackle IS is to back away from the fight you are a bloody mentalist.

Watch.....the....clip.

No, it looks like IS propaganda.

Two words. Tactical nuke

Boggersbelief wrote:Two words. Tactical nuke

Tell me more.

Natasha Whittam wrote:
Right, so IS have their headquarters in Belgium? You bellend.

If the leaders are dead IS is fucked. No army can survive without leadership.

Remove the head of the snake and it becomes a worm.

If you think this is an army then you're buying into their propaganda, there's no military strategy to getting a gun and shooting defenceless citizens. 

The western born men who become terrorists all have very similar characters and backgrounds. Low income, low education and as a a result low IQ. With little purpose in life they're easy targets for brainwashing.

Two words



















Abolish religion

y2johnny wrote:Two words

Abolish religion

It isn't about religion.

I think this thread is a bit too grown up for you Johnny.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Boggersbelief wrote:Two words. Tactical nuke

Tell me more.

The only way to wipe Islamic state out

I think even a simpleton with one brain cell can outfox you on the subject tash.

They "believe" they are doing it in the name of religion. No hell below us.....above us only sky.....a lot less problems in the world

You dildo.

So if religion is abolished tomorrow IS will just pack up and fuck off?

You dildo.

It's all a big mess with no clear way out of it.

The reason why we are where we are now is because of the conflict between the Shia and Sunni parts of the Muslim followers.

Each of the parts have a big power base in the middle east - Iran being Shia and Saudi Arabia being Sunni.

Rightly or wrongly (probably wrongly) the west through the USA have backed the Saudi horse to get its petrol.  It has turned a blind eye to the extreme believes of that country's religious leaders and it is no coincidence that first Al Qaeda and latterly IS sprung from there and were helped to get established via political and financial support from the powers of that country.

The toppling of Sadam's region in Iraq shifted the balance of power in that country to the Sunnis who abused it and caused a Shia backlash.

The so called Arab spring coincided with the changes going on in Iraq when there was a popular uprising against the government of Assad.  Assad was and is backed by Iran (Sunni's), whilst those opposing him were/are backed by Saudi and other Shia powers.

The problems in Syria and Iraq led to a vacuum now filled by IS.

The Saudi's don't seem to want to do anything about the conflict as IS are fellow Shia's and are mainly fighting their sworn enemy the Sunni's (de facto Iran).

Russia is long associated with Iran (they share a boarder so they don't particularly want trouble on their own doorstep) hence them actively supporting Iran (and therefore Assad in Syria).

The west (read that as the USA) don't want to piss off Saudi (and their oil), so can't / don't want to, get to deeply involved fighting a Sunni group - the IS.

However everybody knows that like it or not the only way to remove IS from the areas it has control over is to attack then with soldiers on the ground.

Doing this though could make matters even worse.

France clearly needs to be seen to be doing something against IS, hence the sabre rattling.  We need to be seen to be supporting them too, hence Cameron's dilemma.

Going over to Syria and killing some/many more extremists wont make the problem go away as the problem is deep rooted in certain parts of extremist Muslim interpretation of their religion.

The simple answer is for Saudi to call off their dogs of war and sort this mess out but there doesn't seem to be the will or inclination to do that.

The sooner the west can free itself from the oil of the middle east and the baggage that comes with it, the better.

Natasha Whittam wrote:You dildo.

So if religion is abolished tomorrow IS will just pack up and fuck off?

You dildo.

Nope. It would take a long time. No need for the common insults. You carry on though.

y2johnny wrote:

Nope.  It would take a long time.  No need for the common insults.  You carry on though.

It would take forever. In the meantime many more people would die.

Sluffy wrote:It's all a big mess with no clear way out of it.

The simple answer is for Saudi to call off their dogs of war and sort this mess out but there doesn't seem to be the will or inclination to do that.

The sooner the west can free itself from the oil of the middle east and the baggage that comes with it, the better.

This is the crux of the matter. The Saudis are a pretty loathsome bunch and their record on human rights is abhorrent and totally at odds with any western values. If they didn't have oil they would be seen as a pariah. Double standards I'm afraid.

Sluffy wrote:It's all a big mess with no clear way out of it.

The reason why we are where we are now is because of the conflict between the Shia and Sunni parts of the Muslim followers.

Each of the parts have a big power base in the middle east - Iran being Shia and Saudi Arabia being Sunni.

Rightly or wrongly (probably wrongly) the west through the USA have backed the Saudi horse to get its petrol.  It has turned a blind eye to the extreme believes of that country's religious leaders and it is no coincidence that first Al Qaeda and latterly IS sprung from there and were helped to get established via political and financial support from the powers of that country.

The toppling of Sadam's region in Iraq shifted the balance of power in that country to the Sunnis who abused it and caused a Shia backlash.

The so called Arab spring coincided with the changes going on in Iraq when there was a popular uprising against the government of Assad.  Assad was and is backed by Iran (Sunni's), whilst those opposing him were/are backed by Saudi and other Shia powers.

The problems in Syria and Iraq led to a vacuum now filled by IS.

The Saudi's don't seem to want to do anything about the conflict as IS are fellow Shia's and are mainly fighting their sworn enemy the Sunni's (de facto Iran).

Russia is long associated with Iran (they share a boarder so they don't particularly want trouble on their own doorstep) hence them actively supporting Iran (and therefore Assad in Syria).

The west (read that as the USA) don't want to piss off Saudi (and their oil), so can't / don't want to, get to deeply involved fighting a Sunni group - the IS.

However everybody knows that like it or not the only way to remove IS from the areas it has control over is to attack then with soldiers on the ground.

Doing this though could make matters even worse.

France clearly needs to be seen to be doing something against IS, hence the sabre rattling.  We need to be seen to be supporting them too, hence Cameron's dilemma.

Going over to Syria and killing some/many more extremists wont make the problem go away as the problem is deep rooted in certain parts of extremist Muslim interpretation of their religion.

The simple answer is for Saudi to call off their dogs of war and sort this mess out but there doesn't seem to be the will or inclination to do that.

The sooner the west can free itself from the oil of the middle east and the baggage that comes with it, the better.

You've got your Shia and Sunni a bit mixed up Sluffy. You start off correct (Iran = Shia and Saudi = Sunni) but then you have it the other way round. Saddam oppressed the Shia and their backlash helped create support for the Sunni IS.

Pretty much agree with everything else you say though.

France are obviously going to make sure Raqqa is a steaming pile of rubble, Russia won't be far behind.

honestly at this point I don't think it makes too much difference whether we drop a couple of "British" bombs, it's nothing more than symbolic. 

the problem is always the public mood, but the more they see slaughter on the streets the more the more the anger will grow.

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We need to get Jeremy over there face to face with Daesh. He seems to know what to do by saying this and that without coming out with his secret plan?
It's very easy to oppose everything in the comfort of the fact that nothing will affect you personally, just as it is for Camoron to spout his meaningless bullshit about what he wants to do, at the cost of cutting services at home.