Should Freedman get the sack?

BoltonTillIDie wrote:Dougie's contracted until 2015 isn't he?

aaron_bwfc wrote:Dougie would never allow Lawrence to go unless they both got sacked IMO.

However I do agree with you on giving Lee the assistant managers role, he is wasted at the club at the moment.

Natasha Whittam wrote:BTW, you twats had better not come poaching our manager when Freedman gets the push.

Reebok Trotter wrote:

Natasha Whittam wrote:
That's your answer to everything. You seem to think there's some unwritten rule that you can't ditch a club and support someone else.

These twats are taking the piss out of the fans. They don't care, so why should I?

How do you know they don't care? Ditching the club you have supported all your life just because the results aren't to your liking is a very simplistic view.

doffcocker wrote:I don't understand forking out millions to bring in a manager (Freedman), then deciding he can only be a success if we make the worst manager in our history (Lee) his assistant.

Boggersbelief wrote:Chris Coleman is 5/1 to be our next manager.

Natasha Whittam wrote:Forget the financial situation - the 7-1 thrashing had nothing to do with money and everything to do with Freedman.

We'd stumbled upon a reasonably successful formation and tactic by playing two upfront and actually attacking teams - but Dougie bottles it and reverts to strangling the opposition and giving them the possession.

I said all week he'd revert to type and he didn't let me down. He has an ego bigger than mine, he wants to prove "his way" will work when it quite clearly won't.

luckyPeterpiper wrote:

terenceanne wrote:If relegation is in your plans then keep Doog by all means.  Put a caretaker in charge till end of season or make a move for our next real manager. It will cost money .....but we will have to eat it.
Bring a guy in now so that he can judge the players.....don't wait until the season ends and whoever has no chance to evauluate.

terenceanne my personal feeling is this. Dougie has a contract that expires in the summer. Between now and then we should be taking a quiet look around at who else may be available then and if we find someone then by all means give them the nod as soon as DF's contract expires. I wouldn't complain if Dougie were sacked now but I feel it would be a waste of money that we don't really have if we put him on 'gardening leave' or paid him up while paying someone else to try and fix the existing mess with no resources and with those high earning bench warmers still in place. I am angry, truly furious at what happened today but the malaise in our club runs much deeper than this and the cause is much higher up the tree. For my money the first bullet fired should be into Phil Gartside's butt. 

The finances are so woeful that I doubt any really good manager would want this job and with the likes of Mears drawing more than twenty K a week to do nothing until the summer why would they? It's not as if anything can be done about the playing personnel any time soon and the sad truth is they aren't good enough no matter who's at the helm. Unless we offload a whole bunch of overpaid underperformers either on loan or by release then the manager has nothing to play with and no way to fix the long term screw up that this club has been allowed to become. 

Talent like Okocha and Gudjohnsen don't come here now; even the old stars like Djorkaeff can earn massive money either in America or China now and don't need to play in small towns in Northern England for one last payday. The best we can hope to be is like the White Hot years when we got the odd really promising kid and sold him on at a profit to a 'big club' later. But to do even that is harder now because the 'big clubs' are buying fourteen and fifteen year olds for a million quid or more just to lock up that young talent for themselves. The haves and Have nots get further apart every year and unless something radically changes in how football is governed and things like TV and sponsorship money is distributed that will only get worse. 

I know I sound very negative but this feels even gloomier than when we had 'Normid' in the car park. In fact I'd say the postion today is worse than that of the eighties, we weren't in a debt hole big enough to hide the US Navy in then. I don't just fear for our league position today, I fear for the very existence of the club in ten years time if not sooner.

Whitesince63 wrote:Lucky, I think you're confusing the ability of the players with their performances under Freedman's management. What it does without question prove to me is his ineptness, not just in making players better but in not making good players look worse. In all his time here, please tell me one player, young, old loanee, or existing that looks better now than when he came? Don't blame the players put the blame firmly where it lies with this absolute insult to management and our beloved club.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Whitesince63 wrote:Lucky, I think you're confusing the ability of the players with their performances under Freedman's management. What it does without question prove to me is his ineptness, not just in making players better but in not making good players look worse. In all his time here, please tell me one player, young, old loanee, or existing that looks better now than when he came? Don't blame the players put the blame firmly where it lies with this absolute insult to management and our beloved club.

You don't blame the players at all? Have you watched the fucking highlights from yesterday? Regardless of the team and tactics players should be able to do the fucking basics.

I agree that Freedman should be sacked, but if you think a new man is going to come in and make these ponces title contenders you are dreaming. They have no fighting spirit, no pride, and way too much money. That won't change whoever comes in.

Reebok Trotter wrote:The same players that have given up on Dougie gave up on Coyle and Megson as well. We were told that Coyle had lost the dressing room. I'm not a player but I reckon I could find the dressing room.

The reality is that the players are just not good enough. Any hopes of promotion to the Premier League are delusional. We are not even a force in the Championship. We need to swallow our pride and accept the reality of our situation. The best manager in the World couldn't turn things round at the moment. Serious debt and a very limited  spending budget is hardly the formula for attracting a quality manager or quality players.

It is was it is.