Should Freedman get the sack?

RT, the good book says 'There are none so blind that those that will not see'.

People are entitled to their own opinions, it's not my mission in life to change them.

If people want to believe that Coyle was a good manager and left a decent team behind him, then obviously they follow their logic and conclude that Freedman must be crap if he can't do nothing with it.

If they want to ignore that these players were bought for millions and paid huge Premier League salaries and that they have to be replaced for next to nothing, with no funds to pay people wages (until Coyle's 'wonderful' players leave the club), then again the logic must be that Freeman is signing crap players and must not know what he is doing.

Their choice to believe what they want - it doesn't really matter anyway - its all just about a game at the end of the day.

I have my views on why we are now in such a mess and I'm not bothered if people agree with them or not. Until someone posts a more compelling case to me as to why we got to the position we are in, then I will stick with my opinions, even if I'm in a minority of just one.

It didn't take Dave Whelan long to realise he had dropped a clanger!

Never said anything about what team OC left behind, but to justify keeping DF because OC left him crap players is the biggest pile of bullshit posted on this site!

RT I posted facts you numpty! OC got a team promoted, got us to a top ten finish in the premier league and to the semi of the fa cup! You can't deny those facts. I would agree that he peaked with us and we were right to get rid but DF will never achieve any of those stats and we will poss never match those OC achievements for a very very long time.

JAH wrote:Never said anything about what team OC left behind, but to justify keeping DF because OC left him crap players is the biggest pile of bullshit posted on this site!

RT I posted facts you numpty! OC got a team promoted, got us to a top ten finish in the premier league and to the semi of the fa cup! You can't deny those facts. I would agree that he peaked with us and we were right to get rid but DF will never achieve any of those stats and we will poss never match those OC achievements for a very very long time.

As you say JAH it's impossible to disagree those facts. OC also brought in top quality loans in Sturridge and Wilshire unlike Freedman. I fully accept that the situation is now very different and DF has worked under completely different financial restraints but I totally disagree with Sluffy that he has used what resources he's had wisely. Instead of using what he had wisely filling just the key positions it was clear we were light in he has wasted money signing second rate players to replace those he fell out with or didn't fancy. Those players N'Gog, Andrews, Mears, Alonso, Ricketts Sordell, Eaves and Eagles are at least as capable as any he has brought in. Along with introducing some of our better younger players he could have used resources much better than he has. Getting the best from people is what management is all about not alienating, insulting, criticising and distancing employees. Apart from all that his tactics and team selections have resulted in the worst and least entertains football sen at the Reebok or Burnden for many years. If people who support this club can still honestly say this clown deserves more time then I really do despair.

the cold hard facts are

we are 20th in the league
we have won 2 home games this season, and only 6 in total
we have one of the worst if not the worst goal diffference in the league
We have let all our strikers leave on loan and left us with Beckford who is injured and Juke who couldn't get a game for Boro.
We have no recognised senior full backs available and are playing people out of position
we loaned another midfielder when we didn't really need one and didn't get a left back or striker in because Jock McTwatface left it to the last minute.

need i go on?

Natasha Whittam wrote:Sluffy you complete bellend. Have you ever managed, for example, in an office?



Give it up you bellend, you clearly have issues with Coyle - did he steal your Barbie collection?

  Triumph?

I must admit that I am starting to despair at some of Dougie's tactics but I reiterate again that you can only play the hand you have been dealt. I'm sure the board are weighing up all the pro's and cons because relegation to Div 1 would be a financial unmitigated disaster.

I'm still confident that we will not go down this season but whether that will be enough to keep Dougie in a job is down to the board.

Some of the younger fans can only go as far back as Big Sam and they yearn for those halcyon days once again. It simply isn't going to happen and no manager coming here will succeed like Big Sam did.

The BEST we can possibly look forward to is another season in the Championship. Getting rid of the high earning, under performing players and bringing in new young blood with the aim of pushing on next season. I still think Dougie could achieve that but like the majority on here, my patience is wearing thin.

Reebok Trotter wrote:I must admit that I am starting to despair at some of Dougie's tactics but I reiterate again that you can only play the hand you have been dealt. I'm sure the board are weighing up all the pro's and cons because relegation to Div 1 would be a financial unmitigated disaster.

I'm still confident that we will not go down this season but whether that will be enough to keep Dougie in a job is down to the board.

Some of the younger fans can only go as far back as Big Sam and they yearn for those halcyon days once again. It simply isn't going to happen and no manager coming here will succeed like Big Sam did.

The BEST we can possibly look forward to is another season in the Championship. Getting rid of the high earning, under performing players and bringing in new young blood with the aim of pushing on next season. I still think Dougie could achieve that but like the majority on here, my patience is wearing thin.  

The point is RT many managers in this division would have snapped your hand off for what Freedman was "dealt with". Why do people keep excusing him for not utilising it properly? When he walked through the door he immediately alienated himself from many of the players here, SKD, Mears, Ricketts, Andrews  and Alonso for a start. Add Sordell, N'Gog Eagles and even Ream early on and surely you can see the problem. He is disruptive, inconsistent, arrogant and stubborn, has completely misused what limited resources he's had so please stop excusing this as dealt a poor hand or players on big wages not trying. That's bollocks, he's created this problem himself and hopefully it will soon be the end of him.

Reebok Trotter wrote:I must admit that I am starting to despair at some of Dougie's tactics but I reiterate again that you can only play the hand you have been dealt. I'm sure the board are weighing up all the pro's and cons because relegation to Div 1 would be a financial unmitigated disaster.

I'm still confident that we will not go down this season but whether that will be enough to keep Dougie in a job is down to the board.

Some of the younger fans can only go as far back as Big Sam and they yearn for those halcyon days once again. It simply isn't going to happen and no manager coming here will succeed like Big Sam did.

The BEST we can possibly look forward to is another season in the Championship. Getting rid of the high earning, under performing players and bringing in new young blood with the aim of pushing on next season. I still think Dougie could achieve that but like the majority on here, my patience is wearing thin.  

 RT - i agree with all the above apart from Dougie being able to take us forward, he is out of his depth.
We need an experienced manager to come in the summer and rebuild as frankly i don't trust Dougie to do it.

Still getting texts off North End fans and its sunday lunch !!!! fuck off Freedman

Norpig wrote:RT - i agree with all the above apart from Dougie being able to take us forward, he is out of his depth.
We need an experienced manager to come in the summer and rebuild as frankly i don't trust Dougie to do it.

Obviously it's completely hypothetical, but say Dougie was to go it would be really interesting to see who the club could even attract at this point. 

Personally I'd like us to appoint an up and coming manager from league 1 who would continue the emphasis on the development squad and building for the future. I also think that's about all we could attract, I just can't see an experienced manager wanting to take on such a shit situation.

Natasha Whittam wrote:Sluffy you complete bellend. Have you ever managed, for example, in an office?

Give it up you bellend, you clearly have issues with Coyle - did he steal your Barbie collection?

FAO: Triumph

  

You're all taking your eyes off the ball - Its the dickhead idiot who appoints these managers your ire should be directed at - do you think he's going to let his ego take another kicking by in effect admitting he's fucked up once again?? i honestly believe twatside will lead us into administration before that happens. he's one small man given power and that is a shite combination -he is more interested in his own position and financial reward than the good of the club and  as a consequence the gene pool of managers who are willing to work with Gartside will be getting progressively smaller. What was once a potentially fantastic job for a proven manager, i.e. when Allardyce left is now a poison chalice. If you were a manager with a track record would you take it??

JAH wrote:RT I posted facts you numpty! OC got a team promoted, got us to a top ten finish in the premier league and to the semi of the fa cup! You can't deny those facts. 

I can deny he got us a top 10 finish in the Premier league!

As per my earlier post......

I actually voted to "sack him" but with a caveat that it shouldn't be done now as the rot seems to have set in and no matter who we bring in now what will happen will happen and if we did get relegation then there would be a clamour for whoever is brought in to be fired!

Either way I firmly believe we need a good cleanout of players staff and directors and best time for that is at the end of the season giving us time to rebuild and experiment (in the 13-14 weeks off-season) to get ready for the next campaign!

There really is no messiah out there. Any incoming manager worth his salt would want to know how much money was available to spend. Our financial situation is pretty dire so we are unlikely to attract anyone with a proven track record because they would be reluctant to take on a poisoned chalice.

Until Dougie is able to put together his own squad and offload players that he never signed in the first place, the situation will remain grim. At this stage it's all about adopting a ' belt and braces ' approach and hope that results improve.

Reebok Trotter wrote:

JAH wrote:

OC was a far superior manager to DF. OC got a team promoted, got us to a top 10 finish in the Premier and to the semi final of the fa cup playing some of the most attractive football seen by a Bolton side since the White Hot years. DF had not and never will achieve any of this.

   

JAH is right. Coyle got Burnley promoted and BWFC to an FA Cup semi-final, and in fairness there was a period when Holden was on fire when we were a joy to watch.

Under Freedman we have seen nothing but failure, and worst of all, absolute shite football.

Easy for sluffy to defend Freedman sat in his mansion down South on match day. Perhaps if he had to shell out his cash to watch this utter shite he might change his tune.

Coyle was a shite manager, but at least with Coyle in charge there was always the chance of scoring a goal or two - under Freedman our attack has never been so blunt.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Reebok Trotter wrote:

JAH wrote:

OC was a far superior manager to DF. OC got a team promoted, got us to a top 10 finish in the Premier and to the semi final of the fa cup playing some of the most attractive football seen by a Bolton side since the White Hot years. DF had not and never will achieve any of this.

   

JAH is right. Coyle got Burnley promoted and BWFC to an FA Cup semi-final, and in fairness there was a period when Holden was on fire when we were a joy to watch.

Under Freedman we have seen nothing but failure, and worst of all, absolute shite football.

Easy for sluffy to defend Freedman sat in his mansion down South on match day. Perhaps if he had to shell out his cash to watch this utter shite he might change his tune.

Coyle was a shite manager, but at least with Coyle in charge there was always the chance of scoring a goal or two - under Freedman our attack has never been so blunt.

There were plenty of Wanderers fans screaming for Coyle's head. As you said yourself, he was a shite manager.

Just because somebody doesn't go to a game doesn't mean that they are not entitled to an opinion. I didn't go yesterday but Wanderlust did and he reported that we didn't play badly apart from lacking a cutting edge in midfield.

I don't think that DF can be compared to any previous manager as no manager to date hasn't had some sort of budget to change things around when needed. He's attempting to repair a very bad situation and I think that many people don't realise how bad it really is. It's not just that the players he inherited are overpaid or underperforming - they're just not good enough for this level IMO. They may have been once, but they're not now and we're stuck with them.

Reebok Trotter wrote:

Just because somebody doesn't go to a game doesn't mean that they are not entitled to an opinion. I didn't go yesterday but Wanderlust did and he reported that we didn't play badly apart from lacking a cutting edge in midfield.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion but it's a lot easier to defend Freedman when you're not actually paying money to watch this utter crap.