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I don't know why they call it a war on drugs, as the government will never win.
But i supposed it sounds better than 'battered'.
But i supposed it sounds better than 'battered'.
Time for a rethink?
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142 Re: Time for a rethink? Thu Oct 30 2014, 17:00
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wanderlust wrote:Breadman wrote:The "Breadman Bible"......?
Razzle..........?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razzle
Not quite sure what that means but according to the Bible there are a number of options. I'm hoping you aren't referring to option 4 as I have no interest in Mrs B in the buff
Me neither.
143 Re: Time for a rethink? Thu Oct 30 2014, 17:06
karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
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Has Magoo finally turned you then?
144 Re: Time for a rethink? Wed Jan 21 2015, 15:33
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Another angle of the drugs debate is that experimentation with their medical benefits is restricted, canabis oil has been making the news a lot in recent years as an alternative cancer treatment.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/father-who-gave-2yearold-daughter-cannabis-oil-visits-her-in-hospital-9992833.html
This father got locked up for treating his young daughter with it, in spite of it being classed as dangerous (politically not medically) it helped her.
There's also evidence to suggest psilocybin the main hallucinogen in magic mushrooms could be used to treat depression, but laws against it have prevented scientists from exploring further.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/father-who-gave-2yearold-daughter-cannabis-oil-visits-her-in-hospital-9992833.html
This father got locked up for treating his young daughter with it, in spite of it being classed as dangerous (politically not medically) it helped her.
There's also evidence to suggest psilocybin the main hallucinogen in magic mushrooms could be used to treat depression, but laws against it have prevented scientists from exploring further.
145 Re: Time for a rethink? Wed Jan 21 2015, 16:22
Bwfc1958
Tinned Toms - You know it makes sense!
Im surprised there is a law against scientific research that could potentially benefit people.
Look at the shit scientists get up to in the U.S. those guys will research literally anything.
http://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0611/crazy-research-the-u.s.-government-is-funding.aspx
Look at the shit scientists get up to in the U.S. those guys will research literally anything.
http://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0611/crazy-research-the-u.s.-government-is-funding.aspx
146 Re: Time for a rethink? Wed Jan 21 2015, 16:40
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
They say drugs can make people paranoid, but you don't have to look much past the lawmakers if you are looking for a paranoid people - that old 1950s "Reefer madness" attitude still prevails.
Perhaps the economic arguments for legalisation should have convinced the Government to nationalise and control the drug industry? After all it would take billions out of the hands of criminals and put it into the hands of taxpayers so we could build schools and hospitals. Our prisons wouldn't be full, new jobs would be created and the cost to the NHS would be reduced. And druggies would get the right dose of uncontaminated drugs - unless buying it in a Government shop made drug use less appealing.
So why hasn't it happened? Either because the lawmakers are paranoid or because the lawmakers are funded by the criminals who are currently cashing in on drugs. Or the lawmakers are the drug barons. Either way it's highly suspicious.
Perhaps the economic arguments for legalisation should have convinced the Government to nationalise and control the drug industry? After all it would take billions out of the hands of criminals and put it into the hands of taxpayers so we could build schools and hospitals. Our prisons wouldn't be full, new jobs would be created and the cost to the NHS would be reduced. And druggies would get the right dose of uncontaminated drugs - unless buying it in a Government shop made drug use less appealing.
So why hasn't it happened? Either because the lawmakers are paranoid or because the lawmakers are funded by the criminals who are currently cashing in on drugs. Or the lawmakers are the drug barons. Either way it's highly suspicious.
148 Re: Time for a rethink? Thu Feb 26 2015, 13:31
Copper Dragon
Ivan Campo
Two ounce they are allowed to have on them. 
149 Re: Time for a rethink? Wed Mar 18 2015, 14:08
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Finally starting to see some sensible debate around this issue. Think we can all agree my thread is responsible.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31922609?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31922609?
150 Re: Time for a rethink? Wed Mar 18 2015, 14:09
Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
The answer is capital punishment for all druggies.
151 Re: Time for a rethink? Thu Mar 19 2015, 00:26
Bolton Nuts
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Hipster_Nebula wrote:
I think that says it all.
I think that graph shows that the law against illegal drugs is working. The most harmful drug is the one that people are allowed to use.
Imagine how bad that chart would be if we were all going out getting Heroin, crack and marrajuanna.
If illegal drugs were legalised wouldn't we all then feel like it was ok to try them? Ive never had anything off that list apart from alcohol - but I probably would have if it had been legal and available in shops... Would that be a good thing?
152 Re: Time for a rethink? Thu Mar 19 2015, 08:08
Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
I had some mushrooms with steak and chips last night. I feel fine.
153 Re: Time for a rethink? Thu Mar 19 2015, 08:49
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Biggie wrote:Hipster_Nebula wrote:
I think that says it all.
I think that graph shows that the law against illegal drugs is working. The most harmful drug is the one that people are allowed to use.
Imagine how bad that chart would be if we were all going out getting Heroin, crack and marrajuanna.
If illegal drugs were legalised wouldn't we all then feel like it was ok to try them? Ive never had anything off that list apart from alcohol - but I probably would have if it had been legal and available in shops... Would that be a good thing?
Think you've missed the point Biggie. It's about decriminalising drugs not legalising, so they wouldn't be available in shops it just means our prisons wouldn't be overflowing with drug users a punishment which is proven to make absolutely zero impact on the supply (quite the opposite in fact).
Legalising the less harmful like Canabis could help take more dangerous strains like skunk off the streets and drive money into the economy and out of the hands of criminals.
154 Re: Time for a rethink? Thu Mar 19 2015, 09:09
Norpig
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people will try drugs whether they are legal or not, i used to take amphetamines and LSD on a regular basis when i was younger and can honestly say i wouldn't change a thing and have no regrets.
155 Re: Time for a rethink? Tue Jun 09 2015, 08:32
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Just in case anybody still doubts the right course of action now, this sort of evidence helps emphasise the point -
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/portugal-decriminalised-drugs-14-years-ago--and-now-hardly-anyone-dies-from-overdosing-10301780.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/portugal-decriminalised-drugs-14-years-ago--and-now-hardly-anyone-dies-from-overdosing-10301780.html
156 Re: Time for a rethink? Tue Jun 09 2015, 10:22
Bwfc1958
Tinned Toms - You know it makes sense!
I have to say it makes sense to me. A lot of people use legal highs and stuff because they won't be criminalised but they can be just as dangerous if not more dangerous than drugs themselves. I know people who smoke cannabis and the effect of alcohol is much worse imo and you can buy that freely in shops. Opinions will vary depending on people's individual experiences of drugs and the people they know who have been affected in negative ways but on the whole I have to agree with 74. A change in the approach to drug laws can be a good thing I think.
157 Re: Time for a rethink? Tue Jun 09 2015, 10:23
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Bwfc1958 wrote:I have to say it makes sense to me. A lot of people use legal highs and stuff because they won't be criminalised but they can be just as dangerous if not more dangerous than drugs themselves. I know people who smoke cannabis and the effect of alcohol is much worse imo and you can buy that freely in shops. Opinions will vary depending on people's individual experiences of drugs and the people they know who have been affected in negative ways but on the whole I have to agree with 74. A change in the approach to drug laws can be a good thing I think.
158 Re: Time for a rethink? Wed Jun 10 2015, 09:42
Chairmanda
Andy Walker
I agree too. Its like that old Irish fable, when an old farmer was stopped to ask for directions to get somewhere, the guy said he wouldn't start from here. What has been legalised, what not, now appears fairly arbitrary. If the dangers and costs, economic, social, personal of alcohol were known before it was licensed, would it have been? Any substance can cause harm if taken in excess, yes, even water, and some people will have a lower level of tolerance than others so one experience with a substance can be devastating. Stay happy and healthy out there, Bolton nutters!y2johnny wrote:Bwfc1958 wrote:I have to say it makes sense to me. A lot of people use legal highs and stuff because they won't be criminalised but they can be just as dangerous if not more dangerous than drugs themselves. I know people who smoke cannabis and the effect of alcohol is much worse imo and you can buy that freely in shops. Opinions will vary depending on people's individual experiences of drugs and the people they know who have been affected in negative ways but on the whole I have to agree with 74. A change in the approach to drug laws can be a good thing I think.
159 Re: Time for a rethink? Wed Jun 10 2015, 11:00
gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
Being an official 'Old Fart', (65 on the 7th June), (where was my 'Happy Birthday' Sluffy ? ) I have a dilemma in that I know all character-changing drugs are dangerous when taken in excess, and would say 'no' to legalising cannabis. I am also aware that making it easy to get and use will/could make it seem more acceptable to go on to harder things. Having said that, I am starting to see the benefits of legalising it, and I can say that in the short term, (5-10 years), some control is necessary, and this one should be part of a wider package, but its a step in the right direction. (Its really hard for me to say that 
)
) I have a dilemma in that I know all character-changing drugs are dangerous when taken in excess, and would say 'no' to legalising cannabis. I am also aware that making it easy to get and use will/could make it seem more acceptable to go on to harder things. Having said that, I am starting to see the benefits of legalising it, and I can say that in the short term, (5-10 years), some control is necessary, and this one should be part of a wider package, but its a step in the right direction. (Its really hard for me to say that )160 Re: Time for a rethink? Wed Jun 10 2015, 11:19
okocha
El Hadji Diouf
My nephew tried cannabis ONCE. Schizophrenia was the result of this one experimentation.
He became a real danger to my sister and her family, was sectioned and is now in an institution with what you would describe as "undesirable" company. My sister has lost her son.
The link between cannabis and psychosis has been acknowledged in clinical psychologist circles for years. The effects on families can be devastating. The authorities still prevaricate.
He became a real danger to my sister and her family, was sectioned and is now in an institution with what you would describe as "undesirable" company. My sister has lost her son.
The link between cannabis and psychosis has been acknowledged in clinical psychologist circles for years. The effects on families can be devastating. The authorities still prevaricate.
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