Time for a rethink?

bwfc1874 wrote:

Shouldn't be long until we see sense and stop filling our prisons with drug users at massive cost to the tax payer.

I want all druggie's in prison and I don't care if taxes have to be raised to do it.

I estimate that 75% of crime is down to drugs, so stick them in prison and crime goes down.

It's not rocket science and shame on anyone who thinks druggies should be set free. I bet you wouldn't say that if someone stole your lawnmower to feed their habit.

Yes i agree, but only when i eat sprouts.

Everybody knows somebody who has had a problem with drugs whether they are tobacco, weed, alcohol or whatever but these stories are anecdotal and not necessarily statistically significant - except to them of course.

Drugs can't be compared as people vary in latent susceptibility to bad effects: some people can handle drink and drugs, others can completely lose it.

But what isn't in question is that arbitrary decisions have been made as to what freedom of choice we have. We can legally kill ourselves with alcohol but we can't neck mushrooms (if they have been "prepared" which is a very weird law!) or snort coke. 

At this point the moral argument for banning drugs in the UK breaks down.

By allowing alcohol, the moral justification for banning other drugs is completely undermined.

Now supposing all drugs were State controlled - what would happen?

Purity would be guaranteed so less deaths from e.g. snorting washing powder

Drug related crime would be marginalised 

Tax revenues would flow into central government and away from the criminals

To me it's less of a question of IF drugs should be legalised as HOW they should be legalised to have the best possible overall positive effect on society. And I'm in favour of State control under the General Pharmaceutical Council rather than the American free market approach. (Nationalise it)

There will be casualties but whether that is more or less than we currently have is difficult to forecast - but the schools, hospitals, houses, roads, care homes and prisons we build with the profits should be more than ample compensation.

 

However long I've done this thread and finally somebody's getting it.

The happy clappers stick together.

Natasha Whittam wrote: The happy clappers stick together.

 

bwfc1874 wrote:Very true, Im sure appealing to the younger voter who see the war on drugs for what it really is would be his main motivation here. But it's still massive progress to have this sort of opinion in mainstream politics and getting over what's been a taboo subject for far too long.

Perhaps he was appealing to the younger voter when he played a big part in placing the University Fees yolk around their necks?

Soul Kitchen wrote:

bwfc1874 wrote:Very true, Im sure appealing to the younger voter who see the war on drugs for what it really is would be his main motivation here. But it's still massive progress to have this sort of opinion in mainstream politics and getting over what's been a taboo subject for far too long.

Perhaps he was appealing to the younger voter when he played a big part in placing the University Fees yolk around their necks?

Well yes.. that's exactly what I said, appealing to the younger vote.

bwfc1874 wrote:

Soul Kitchen wrote:

bwfc1874 wrote:Very true, Im sure appealing to the younger voter who see the war on drugs for what it really is would be his main motivation here. But it's still massive progress to have this sort of opinion in mainstream politics and getting over what's been a taboo subject for far too long.

Perhaps he was appealing to the younger voter when he played a big part in placing the University Fees yolk around their necks?

Well yes.. that's exactly what I said, appealing to the younger vote.

Perhaps you where "floating in a most peculiar way" when he put nine grand around their necks?
The man is a right prick and only a "druggie" would vote for him, so feel free!
X marks the spot.

   

Surely you're not so stupid as to have missed the point again?

I wouldn't vote for Clegg, as a student when he raised tuition fees and with family who can't afford it now, I dislike him as much as anybody. But this nothing to do with being pro Nick Clegg. If you think it is then yet again a simple point has gone way over your head.

Back in your box Mr Potato Head, I'm getting Buzz out to play with now!!
Nite, nite.  

Whenever you miss a point, you feel stupid and try to pretend it was a joke.

Fooling nobody SK. 

Go to bed.

bwfc1874 wrote:Whenever you miss a point, you feel stupid and try to pretend it was a joke.

Fooling nobody SK. 

Go to bed.

I'll never feel stupid when faced with a humourless drug addict! 
Ffs at my age I've been there and got the t shirt, you still need to get there!! 
Lighten up.

Natasha Whittam wrote:The happy clappers stick together.

Now you know why we're happy.  

Soul Kitchen wrote:

bwfc1874 wrote:Whenever you miss a point, you feel stupid and try to pretend it was a joke.

Fooling nobody SK. 

Go to bed.

I'll never feel stupid when faced with a humourless drug addict! 
Ffs at my age I've been there and got the t shirt, you still need to get there!! 
Lighten up.

A drug addict? Some people would get offended by accusations like that, I think it's pretty poor to be honest. 

To be honest I don't find your jokes particularly funny, and iv no idea what you're going on about in this thread. You seem to be arguing against a point that doesn't exist, but maybe that's a joke I'm not getting. For my own sanity I'm going to block you, I find we just go in circles with these back and forths.

I'm playing with you and I wouldn't expect you to find it funny, although some in various quarters may well do.
Some of your comments are quite offensive but I'm not belly aching about it, you really need to lighten up.
Anyway, two glass eyes are now fully shut!!

bwfc1874 wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/15/cannabis-marijuana-medicine-law-growing

"The problem with buying off the street," says Orson Boon, from thefrom the London Cannabis club, "is not only are you funding organised crime, you're probably being ripped off. The cannabis is likely to be low quality and when you're using it for medical problems you want a strain you know will work for you."

TBF Orson Boon would say that as it's his business.

Very true, but his point is sti fair. You can buy weed in any city in the country with minimal effort or risk. Even if caught the police are unlikely to other charging you unless it's a large quantity. What is the point in continuing with this war on drugs? It's improved nothing and cost billions.

bwfc1874 wrote:Very true, but his point is sti fair. You can buy weed in any city in the country with minimal effort or risk.

Bollocks, I wouldn't have a clue where to go to buy drugs and neither would the vast majority of the country.

We're not all druggies like you 1874.