Time for a rethink?

It also affects your sense of humour! So let's sum up: paranoia, talking to yourself and sense of humour evacuation!!
No Thanx, I'll stick to Wainwright's!!!!!

Addiction to anything is bad, it impairs judgement and causes people to make bad decisions due to skewed priorities. 

Whether it's a substance abuse (eg alchol, fags, drugs) or some other form of addiction (eg gambling) it can cause serious harm to the addict and to the people around them physically mentally and emotionally. 

I for one would prefer that the entire drug trade end but since it won't then I would suggest Hipster has a point. We all know someone who has dabbled in weed, in fact I dabbled in it myself at college but thankfully for me I quickly stopped when a friend of mine became seriously mentally ill thanks to smoking some resin an unscrupulous dealer had mixed with something toxic (perhaps a cleaning fluid, no one was able to say for sure).

In order to prevent that sort of scenario I think I would be alright (not happy but accepting) if the Govt decided to legalise it and it was sold in strictly monitored licenced premises. It's not an ideal solution but given the world as it is today it's probably the least bad of a series of bad alternatives.

Soul Kitchen wrote:It also affects your sense of humour!  So let's sum up: paranoia, talking to yourself and sense of humour evacuation!!
No Thanx,  I'll stick to Wainwright's!!!!!

So another post completely unrelated to what you were replying to...

You really are dreadful at this. It's gone entirely over your head.

I wish I could catch trout as easy! You must be really knotted up inside?

luckyPeterpiper wrote:Addiction to anything is bad, it impairs judgement and causes people to make bad decisions due to skewed priorities. 

Whether it's a substance abuse (eg alchol, fags, drugs) or some other form of addiction (eg gambling) it can cause serious harm to the addict and to the people around them physically mentally and emotionally. 

I for one would prefer that the entire drug trade end but since it won't then I would suggest Hipster has a point. We all know someone who has dabbled in weed, in fact I dabbled in it myself at college but thankfully for me I quickly stopped when a friend of mine became seriously mentally ill thanks to smoking some resin an unscrupulous dealer had mixed with something toxic (perhaps a cleaning fluid, no one was able to say for sure).

In order to prevent that sort of scenario I think I would be alright (not happy but accepting) if the Govt decided to legalise it and it was sold in strictly monitored licenced premises. It's not an ideal solution but given the world as it is today it's probably the least bad of a series of bad alternatives.

Well said LPP and basically the point I've been getting at. The war on drugs has failed so let's take control of it, it won't be any easier to purchase it than it already is.

luckyPeterpiper wrote:Addiction to anything is bad, it impairs judgement and causes people to make bad decisions due to skewed priorities. 

Whether it's a substance abuse (eg alchol, fags, drugs) or some other form of addiction (eg gambling) it can cause serious harm to the addict and to the people around them physically mentally and emotionally. 

I for one would prefer that the entire drug trade end but since it won't then I would suggest Hipster has a point. We all know someone who has dabbled in weed, in fact I dabbled in it myself at college but thankfully for me I quickly stopped when a friend of mine became seriously mentally ill thanks to smoking some resin an unscrupulous dealer had mixed with something toxic (perhaps a cleaning fluid, no one was able to say for sure).

In order to prevent that sort of scenario I think I would be alright (not happy but accepting) if the Govt decided to legalise it and it was sold in strictly monitored licenced premises. It's not an ideal solution but given the world as it is today it's probably the least bad of a series of bad alternatives.

This wouldn't work, Pete.

If the Govt licenced approved agents to sell the stuff, there would be a queue of dodgy bastards about a mile long outside every shop, flogging god knows what to the punters at half the price.

There will always be an angle and if there's a quid to be made, someone will always find a way.

That's why I'm saying leave the whole thing alone.

At least with the current set-up, some kids might be put off by the prospect of getting in trouble if caught and so don't try it.

Remove the threat of any sanctions and you would surely see even more kids taking it up and rotting their brains and ending up talking shite like BWFC1874...

Soul Kitchen wrote:I wish I could catch trout as easy!  You must be really knotted up inside?

  

As usual you fail to make a valid point and resort to saying it was a joke, completely moronic. 

If that was an attempt to fish you've failed miserably, you've confused me more than anything else as you've missed the point of this thread so badly. Go back to ignoring me please, makes you look less of an idiot.

You've said something correct out of your haze, I failed miserably, you are far too easy to catch. It is the shit you smoke. Did you or do you live up Morris Green? The guy I mentioned earlier who's in his own little world and smoked shit used to live there. If it's not you, you are his clone.

Breadman wrote:

luckyPeterpiper wrote:Addiction to anything is bad, it impairs judgement and causes people to make bad decisions due to skewed priorities. 

Whether it's a substance abuse (eg alchol, fags, drugs) or some other form of addiction (eg gambling) it can cause serious harm to the addict and to the people around them physically mentally and emotionally. 

I for one would prefer that the entire drug trade end but since it won't then I would suggest Hipster has a point. We all know someone who has dabbled in weed, in fact I dabbled in it myself at college but thankfully for me I quickly stopped when a friend of mine became seriously mentally ill thanks to smoking some resin an unscrupulous dealer had mixed with something toxic (perhaps a cleaning fluid, no one was able to say for sure).

In order to prevent that sort of scenario I think I would be alright (not happy but accepting) if the Govt decided to legalise it and it was sold in strictly monitored licenced premises. It's not an ideal solution but given the world as it is today it's probably the least bad of a series of bad alternatives.

This wouldn't work, Pete.

If the Govt licenced approved agents to sell the stuff, there would be a queue of dodgy bastards about a mile long outside every shop, flogging god knows what to the punters at half the price.

There will always be an angle and if there's a quid to be made, someone will always find a way.

That's why I'm saying leave the whole thing alone.

At least with the current set-up, some kids might be put off by the prospect of getting in trouble if caught and so don't try it.

Remove the threat of any sanctions and you would surely see even more kids taking it up and rotting their brains and ending up talking shite like BWFC1874...

I'll ignore the insult at the end, don't know why you feel the need to do that its a perfectly reasonably debate to have.

There's no evidence to suggest that illegal dealers would flourish under new law, quite the opposite in fact, drug related crime is down 70% in Portugal since legalisation. You don't get ques of people outside pubs selling drink cheaper so why would you in this case? The police would still be applying the law to illegal sellers, !most would be out of business.

There's next to no punishment for getting caught with cannabis, maybe a caution but I've known plenty of cases where the police have confiscated and turned a blind eye, its not worth the paperwork. The current system is failing, something should change.

1874,

You don't half talk some rubbish on here........

I'm bored of this now.

You carry on fucking your head up with this shit and I'll cary on ruining my liver with drink and we'll say no more about it.

Deal?

I've only quoted facts I don't know why you feel so strongly that the current system is right. 

If its pissing you off to read it then don't read it, but I'm not going to be apologising for having a different opinion to you.

My grandma once had a staffy dog. She used to tie a tennis ball stuffed in a stocking onto the washing line just too high for the dog to get.
The dog used to jump up and down for it all day, never able to reach it.
Do you think it had been on the ganja?

Ooooops, sorry it's Beagles that used to smoke.

My old dog used to smoke a pipe. Quite remarkable really. His name was Baldwin,and he was also the Ghanaian High Commissioner in London,which was quite an achievement for a Lab cross.

Strange how people on here like to 'debate', but refuse to accept anyone else's point of view, no matter what.
My brother , and brother-in-law, were both long-term Cannabis smokers. Both have psychological problems, although neither have moved on to hard drugs. My Brother-in-law, (aged 56) is now in sheltered housing, and will remain so for the rest of his life. My brother came off the cannabis, about 5 years ago, and then the alcohol about a year later. He's making progress, which his wife and two kids appreciate. he still has the odd relatively psychotic event. He is now 53.
I would say that the people who say the war on drugs is lost are not seeing the bigger picture I don't believe, for whatever reason, that the public are ever told the whole truth. What we don't see, or hear about, is how many, and types, of all drugs have been found, halted, or even stopped during or prior to manufacture.
With regards the misleading chart for drug and alcohol use, I see that all alcohol has been banded as one, whereas all the drugs are shown individually. Surely, if all the drugs are banded together, they would far exceed the alcohol abuse, (might be wrong).

gloswhite wrote:Strange how people on here like to 'debate', but refuse to accept anyone else's point of view, no matter what.

You could say that both ways, we all have different opinions that's the point.

I see that all alcohol has been banded as one, whereas all the drugs are shown individually. Surely, if all the drugs are banded together, they would far exceed the alcohol abuse, (might be wrong).

My guess would be because most 'harder' drugs are far more damaging to the body than cannabis.

You make a fair point about other drugs that have been stopped, I've no idea what numbers would support that. But my argument is mainly for the 'war' on cannabis which has undeniably failed. Im not advocating it be legalised purely for a free for all, Im talking about the economic benefits, regulations, education and medicinal benefits we could be taking advantage of. But this thread seems to have consistently been taken as a debate about what's more harmful - which is not how it was intended.

I'm just glad and lucky I sup a few pints of Wainwright's at weekend when I socialise with my mates. Can't say it's made me paranoid supping the stuff and whilst sometimes I feel like I might be better talking to myself on occasion I'm pleased to have reached my age in life, which I might add, is older than those two you mention Glos.
It's sad when people have to depart reality on a more permanent basis, how low and lacking in self esteem must you get?
Perhaps making substances readily available would increase the numbers of those in a similar position.
It must be very difficult to have those close to you at such a low eb, hope you are/have coped Glos?

Cheers SK,  They're both on an even keel at the mo, and no real reason for them to go off the rails just now. Thanks.

Soul Kitchen wrote:
It's sad when people have to depart reality on a more permanent basis, how low and lacking in self esteem must you get?

Are you talking about Angry Dad?

I know somebody who is a plasterer by trade. He is in his late fifties and has been a casual cannabis user for at least fifteen years. He only smokes it at weekend and isn't aggressive or psychotic or anything like that but I have noticed a definite change in his behaviour. He is a lot more lethargic and is nowhere as sharp as he was fifteen years ago.

I wouldn't feel comfortable about employing him for a plastering job.