Isis - The bad guys.

Soul Kitchen wrote:
Hell exists as a figment of mans' mind or as an away football supporter in Turkiye!!

They talked about Hell in church this morning so it must exist.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

Reebok Trotter wrote:Should the British stop tolerating intolerance?

Did you watch BBC the big questions too? 

I did, what a load of guff. 

Muslims unable to give a yes or no as to whether stoning women for adultery is right or wrong. 

I think that sums it up frankly.

the religion of peace.

Yes, I did. A full hour dedicated to the burning question. The cleric from the Hittin Institute wouldn't answer the question which suggests to me that he agrees that adulterous women should be stoned simply because it is written in the scriptures. If old Phrophet Mo was knocking about nowadays he would be branded a sexist misogynist.

Blair is a bloody windbag. The West haven't tackled Assad because Syria isn't a major oil producing nation. Plus if they toppled him the country would end up like Iraq and Libya with God knows who in charge. Better the devil you know.

http://hittininstitute.org/look-who-is-talking/

Reebok Trotter wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

Reebok Trotter wrote:Should the British stop tolerating intolerance?

Did you watch BBC the big questions too? 

I did, what a load of guff. 

Muslims unable to give a yes or no as to whether stoning women for adultery is right or wrong. 

I think that sums it up frankly.

the religion of peace.

Yes, I did. A full hour dedicated to the burning question. The cleric from the Hittin Institute wouldn't answer the question which suggests to me that he agrees that adulterous women should be stoned simply because it is written in the scriptures. If old Phrophet Mo was knocking about nowadays he would be branded a sexist misogynist.

The really stupid thing is that these Islamic clerics are usually too ignorant to understand that there is nothing in the Koran that justifies their primitive and savage beliefs. They are relying on medieval interpretations of the Koran known as hadiths, which are simply alleged sayings of Muhammad that some "scholar" made up centuries after Muhammad died.

xmiles wrote:



The really stupid thing is that these Islamic clerics are usually too ignorant to understand that there is nothing in the Koran that justifies their primitive and savage beliefs. They are relying on medieval interpretations of the Koran  known as hadiths, which are simply alleged sayings of Muhammad that some "scholar" made up centuries after Muhammad died.  

And that's the exact same reason, I have no truck with the Christian Right in the US either.

They're dangerous nutters who believe absolutely the things written in the Bible and base their twisted ideas / ideals on something written in the early 17th century by English "scholars" which is supposed to have taken place hundreds of years previously, thousands of miles away....

But they're rich and powerful nutters and they exert far too much influence on American politics.

And it's dangerous.....

Breadman wrote:

xmiles wrote:



The really stupid thing is that these Islamic clerics are usually too ignorant to understand that there is nothing in the Koran that justifies their primitive and savage beliefs. They are relying on medieval interpretations of the Koran  known as hadiths, which are simply alleged sayings of Muhammad that some "scholar" made up centuries after Muhammad died.  

And that's the exact same reason, I have no truck with the Christian Right in the US either.

They're dangerous nutters who believe absolutely the things written in the Bible and base their twisted ideas / ideals on something written in the early 17th century by English "scholars" which is supposed to have taken place hundreds of years previously, thousands of miles away....

But they're rich and powerful nutters and they exert far too much influence on American politics.

And it's dangerous.....

I completely agree. All religious fanatics are dangerous. They are too stupid to listen to rational argument.

Some of the terrible images on News at Ten are awful. They should have left Saddam where he was. He was no real threat to the West. It was the same in Yugoslavia when Tito ran the show. Ethnic cleansing is genocide, pure and simple.

How Farmer Bob has got away with it in Zimbabwe for nearly thirty years is a mystery to me.

Reebok Trotter wrote:Some of the terrible images on News at Ten are awful. They should have left Saddam where he was. He was no real threat to the West. It was the same in Yugoslavia when Tito ran the show. Ethnic cleansing is genocide, pure and simple.

How Farmer Bob has got away with it in Zimbabwe for nearly thirty years is a mystery to me.

There's no oil under Harare - simple.

And the Yanks are reluctant to get involved in Africa again after they fucked up in Mogadishu with them helicopters.

To be fair I don't blame the American's for wanting to try and control things for their own advantage - everyone else does it, Russia and China as backed Syria recently, Russia is playing the 'Gas' card in the Ukraine, etc, etc.

Christ we probably invented the game, the current cock up in the middle east came about when us and France decided who should get what after WW1.

Shocking about the masacre of those soldiers though if true.

Reports also coming in of the Talaban chopping the fingers off of people voting in the recent Afghan election.

These people really do live in the stone age - next they'll be going out shooting little girls in the head because they want to go to school and get an education like the boys their age do, or maybe kidnapping say 200 little girls because they are simply a different religion, or maybe gang raping a 14 year old because she's of a lower caste and they can do what they want, or maybe holding two women as slaves for 30 years in London, or hanging girls from a tree who they have just raped, or.. what's the point - man's inhumanity to man as been going on since time began and always will.

We still are very much the naked ape.

Not all of us.

Just the ones who hide behind religious belief to justify their actions.

We've got our own nutcases - Huntley, Sutcliffe, Brady - our perverts - Saville, Hall, Ian Watkins - our good doctors - Harold Shipman - and our builders - Fred and Rose West (patios a speciality)- you don't need to hide behind religion to be bad.

How many people fiddle the insurance, or claim benefits they are not entitled too?

How many people skive at work everyday, yet still expect full wages?

Some people are saints, some sinners and the rest of us somewhere inbetween.

If you are brought up in a country where life is cheap, it doesn't take that much for you to adopt the same values too - they don't know any better.

Goodness and mercy comes from within.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

A favourite poem of mine -

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


Makes you think - well it does me.

The problem with that argument is, our nut-cases like Huntley, Brady, Hindley, Fred & Rose, Shipman, Ruth Ellis, Cregan, Neilsen, Sutcliffe et al were all "voices in the head" fucking mental.

(Ok, maybe not Cregan - he was just a wannabe gangsta cunt.)

I've never met anybody who's ever said to me "You know what, I'm going to kill some fuckers because God told me to."

"It's what HE wants and so it must be right. And I believe it because HE's infallible, so it must be ok. So I'm switchin' my brain off (even though I'm deeply troubled by this whole killing people thing) and I'm going for it. Yeah, go God !!!!"

Bollocks!

Anybody in 2014 who says they believe in any sort of deity and lives their life by doctrines set down to appease said deity even if it involves killing people who don't subscribe to the same viewpoint, should be shot in the fucking head immediately.

Fuck me, it's not hard - Help your fellow man, don't take the piss, enjoy life and don't be a cunt.

We're obviously not thick as a species, so why do so many of us fall for the religion shtick?

We're obviously not thick as a species, so why do so many of us fall for the religion shtick?

Because in having a higher being/authority it absolves us from personal responsibility for our actions and fate.
And in having an afterlife/eternity model it gives us a sense of greater importance and for some people makes it easier to accept their own mortality/death - although that is equally true of non-religious spiritual belief structures.

What a cluster fuck Iraq has become.No WMDs now the nutters are here.They should of marched Saddam back in on a horse.I watched something on you tube about an Ex CIA whistle blower.She said Iraq had agreed to buy 100-000 American made Cars for 5 years but Halliburton who john Major is a director had Billions in weapons and the rest to off load.Saddam might have been a ruthless dictator but surely he was better than the current situation.

Sadam was the best thing to happen to Iraq in the last 100 years it would appear?

Go on YouTube type in CIA whistleblower Susan Lindauer,believe it,or don't but it gives you a different perspective on things.I always thought 9/11 was partly an inside job the planes looked like they were air fix models stuck in the building.The heat was burning black not Red hot or White hot,due to the furniture and flame resistant coatings added to furniture.Theres a 12 minute one that says she was never in the CIA watch both then have a think,interesting I know USA v GHANA is on 1-0 37 seconds so watch when you got time SK.

Very clear explanation of the rise of ISIS, thought it was worth posting -