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1 Armed teachers? on Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:05 am

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
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Trump really has lost the plot.

2 Re: Armed teachers? on Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:13 am

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boltonbonce wrote:Trump really has lost the plot.

To be fair to him it is an existing idea that predates the latest school shooting - mad of him to mention it though.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42804741

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43118865

3 Re: Armed teachers? on Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:23 am

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Nat Lofthouse
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Wouldn't be long before an unstable teacher took out his whole class.

Let teachers teach.

4 Re: Armed teachers? on Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:34 am

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boltonbonce wrote:Wouldn't be long before an unstable teacher took out his whole class.

It's amazing that no one seemed to have thought that this might happen one day if they went down this road.

Clearly if they could keep ALL guns out of schools then no one will get shot.

Easier said than done though I expect - schools have large perimeters to keep secure - but surely better than having teachers with guns!

5 Re: Armed teachers? on Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:58 pm

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Nat Lofthouse
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Anything bar tackling the real problem!

6 Re: Armed teachers? on Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:25 pm

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Ivan Campo
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Well this is what the NRA think: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43158994

:facepalm:

7 Re: Armed teachers? on Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:35 pm

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Andy Walker
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You just know that in a couple of years, there is going to be a story on the news about a teacher opening fire on their class.

8 Re: Armed teachers? on Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:56 pm

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You wonder what Donald the Dildo will come up with next. Why not just have an armed security guard

9 Re: Armed teachers? on Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:01 pm

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Nat Lofthouse
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rammywhite wrote:You wonder what Donald the Dildo will come up with next. Why not just have an armed security guard
I'm sure the brains at the NRA will come up with a better idea.

10 Re: Armed teachers? on Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:07 pm

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Thought this was interesting - It's not the NRA leaders speech it is about - Why the NRA wields so much power.


11 Re: Armed teachers? on Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:09 pm

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Sluffy wrote:Thought this was interesting - It's not the NRA leaders speech it is about - Why the NRA wields so much power.



Sluffy,
Can you please upload it again as it seems to have corrupted.

12 Re: Armed teachers? on Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:16 pm

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rammywhite wrote:
Sluffy wrote:Thought this was interesting - It's not the NRA leaders speech it is about - Why the NRA wields so much power.



Sluffy,
Can you please upload it again as it seems to have corrupted.




Works fine on my laptop - both video postings.

If you still cant get it to work try clicking on the very last icon in the two rows above where you post something - it looks like a blank piece of paper - it somehow changes how you view certain things on Nuts.

Hope this helps?

13 Re: Armed teachers? on Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:34 pm

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Nat Lofthouse
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The American response to gun problems? Yeah, let more people have guns. High 5.

14 Re: Armed teachers? on Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:57 pm

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Andy Walker
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Reebok Trotter wrote:The American response to gun problems? Yeah, let more people have guns. High 5.
RT - It is certainly not an "American response."  It is a Trump response and will never happen.  He probably thinks the way to stop hijackers is to arm every passenger!

15 Re: Armed teachers? on Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:40 pm

Sluffy

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Latest from the National Rifle Association - ignore the Trump headline and click on the VIDEO

16 Re: Armed teachers? on Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:52 pm

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17 Re: Armed teachers? on Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:08 am

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Youri Djorkaeff
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The very basic problem is that all Americans think they are cowboys, and as we can see by their politics towards guns, I think that description is quite apt.

18 Re: Armed teachers? on Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:27 pm

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Ivan Campo
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Glad my music teacher was not armed she did enough damage with her diamond ring when she back handed me in the eye after i felt up her arse.

19 Re: Armed teachers? on Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:58 pm

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Nat Lofthouse
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Angry Dad wrote:Glad my music teacher was not armed she did enough damage with her diamond ring when she back handed me in the eye after i felt up her arse.

What did you find up there?

20 Re: Armed teachers? on Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:46 pm

Angry Dad

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A dead lemming two champion spark plugs and a 1973 road atlas Nat.

21 Re: Armed teachers? on Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:47 pm

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Andy Walker
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gloswhite wrote:The very basic problem is that all Americans think they are cowboys, and as we can see by their politics towards guns, I think that description is quite apt.
Glos... you are so wrong on many levels.  Most Americans do not own guns.  It is not the politics of the Americans, rather the politics of the dollar.  The NRA contributes (or imo, buys) Congress... in this case conservatives.  33-36% of Americans own guns, and for what it's worth, they own more than one.  That accounts for the average of one gun per American.  The NRA only has 5 million Americans out of 325 million or so in this country.  But the NRA spent 54 million on the last election which helped the conservatives take the White House.  

Hence 2/3 of Americans don't have guns.  Only 1.5% of Americans belong to the NRA. But as you perceive it, "all Americans think they are cowboys."  I've heard that many people overseas believe that.  In truth, most Americans are not cowboys... far from it.  

It's unfortunate that our lame assed Congress has been bought and paid for by the NRA.  But most politicians are always running for office, and ergo, need money to pay for their campaigns.  The term of office of a representative is 2 years... and they are therefore always running.  The Senate term is 6 years.  It is estimated that a representative spends 1.5 million on each campaign (https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/2/27/17051560/money-nra-guns-contributions-donations-parkland) and the NRA funds candidates who earn A ratings from them.  This is a far cry from Americans supporting these guns.

Having used the military version of the AR-15, it is my belief that no one in this country needs that weapon of destruction.  I suppose most Americans believe that as well, but until Congress is not a paid partner of the NRA, it will be difficult to change the laws.  It is not unlike Brexit passing despite polls saying it would not be successful. In this case, we have a President who is stacking the Supreme Court moving it conservative by a vote of 5 to 4. Unlike you, we have to live with this President for 4 years... unless he has to resign from the pressure of the current investigations. It would be nice to call for a vote of no confidence in him.

Now let's get six points (maybe four?) from Preston and Reading, and start moving away from the relegation zone.

22 Re: Armed teachers? on Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:49 pm

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With a page marker in the Borley area.

23 Re: Armed teachers? on Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:14 pm

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observer wrote:
gloswhite wrote:The very basic problem is that all Americans think they are cowboys, and as we can see by their politics towards guns, I think that description is quite apt.
Glos... you are so wrong on many levels.  Most Americans do not own guns.  It is not the politics of the Americans, rather the politics of the dollar.  The NRA contributes (or imo, buys) Congress... in this case conservatives.  33-36% of Americans own guns, and for what it's worth, they own more than one.  That accounts for the average of one gun per American.  The NRA only has 5 million Americans out of 325 million or so in this country.  But the NRA spent 54 million on the last election which helped the conservatives take the White House.  

Hence 2/3 of Americans don't have guns.  Only 1.5% of Americans belong to the NRA. But as you perceive it, "all Americans think they are cowboys."  I've heard that many people overseas believe that.  In truth, most Americans are not cowboys... far from it.  

It's unfortunate that our lame assed Congress has been bought and paid for by the NRA.  But most politicians are always running for office, and ergo, need money to pay for their campaigns.  The term of office of a representative is 2 years... and they are therefore always running.  The Senate term is 6 years.  It is estimated that a representative spends 1.5 million on each campaign (https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/2/27/17051560/money-nra-guns-contributions-donations-parkland) and the NRA funds candidates who earn A ratings from them.  This is a far cry from Americans supporting these guns.

Having used the military version of the AR-15, it is my belief that no one in this country needs that weapon of destruction.  I suppose most Americans believe that as well, but until Congress is not a paid partner of the NRA, it will be difficult to change the laws.  It is not unlike Brexit passing despite polls saying it would not be successful. In this case, we have a President who is stacking the Supreme Court moving it conservative by a vote of 5 to 4. Unlike you, we have to live with this President for 4 years... unless he has to resign from the pressure of the current investigations. It would be nice to call for a vote of no confidence in him.

Now let's get six points (maybe four?) from Preston and Reading, and start moving away from the relegation zone.
I found this quite interesting Obs, and accept that I got it wrong about all of them being cowboys. However one third of them owning at least one gun, is still something that makes you wonder about the system that allows it.
Regarding their politics, I still think its pathetic that the most powerful man in the world can be so openly bought by the NRA. To my mind, when 'Gunfight at the OK Corral' is becoming an accepted part of the national school system, I think the term 'cowboys' still applies, at least for the politicians.

24 Re: Armed teachers? on Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:27 pm

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Andy Walker
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gloswhite wrote:
observer wrote:
gloswhite wrote:The very basic problem is that all Americans think they are cowboys, and as we can see by their politics towards guns, I think that description is quite apt.
Glos... you are so wrong on many levels.  Most Americans do not own guns.  It is not the politics of the Americans, rather the politics of the dollar.  The NRA contributes (or imo, buys) Congress... in this case conservatives.  33-36% of Americans own guns, and for what it's worth, they own more than one.  That accounts for the average of one gun per American.  The NRA only has 5 million Americans out of 325 million or so in this country.  But the NRA spent 54 million on the last election which helped the conservatives take the White House.  

Hence 2/3 of Americans don't have guns.  Only 1.5% of Americans belong to the NRA. But as you perceive it, "all Americans think they are cowboys."  I've heard that many people overseas believe that.  In truth, most Americans are not cowboys... far from it.  

It's unfortunate that our lame assed Congress has been bought and paid for by the NRA.  But most politicians are always running for office, and ergo, need money to pay for their campaigns.  The term of office of a representative is 2 years... and they are therefore always running.  The Senate term is 6 years.  It is estimated that a representative spends 1.5 million on each campaign (https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/2/27/17051560/money-nra-guns-contributions-donations-parkland) and the NRA funds candidates who earn A ratings from them.  This is a far cry from Americans supporting these guns.

Having used the military version of the AR-15, it is my belief that no one in this country needs that weapon of destruction.  I suppose most Americans believe that as well, but until Congress is not a paid partner of the NRA, it will be difficult to change the laws.  It is not unlike Brexit passing despite polls saying it would not be successful. In this case, we have a President who is stacking the Supreme Court moving it conservative by a vote of 5 to 4. Unlike you, we have to live with this President for 4 years... unless he has to resign from the pressure of the current investigations. It would be nice to call for a vote of no confidence in him.

Now let's get six points (maybe four?) from Preston and Reading, and start moving away from the relegation zone.
I found this quite interesting Obs, and accept that I got it wrong about all of them being cowboys. However one third of them owning at least one gun, is still something that makes you wonder about the system that allows it.
Regarding their politics, I still think its pathetic that the most powerful man in the world can be so openly bought by the NRA. To my mind, when 'Gunfight at the OK Corral' is becoming an accepted part of the national school system, I think the term 'cowboys' still applies, at least for the politicians.
Glos... politicians are blood suckers who have no real job.  In this country they legislate our social security and health care, but they do not participate in it.  They treat themselves like Kings and Queens... sort of like royalty.  It's nice to have a job where you can put in two years and then get a pension.  It's nice to have premium health care.  But it is certainly wrong to legislate for the masses and squeeze them by calling these "entitlements."  I know I have my pay stubs showing me how much I have paid for these "entitlements."  

I also find it disconcerting that so many Americans have weapons.  I live in a city that does not allow weapons... very tough gun laws that date back decades.  But that doesn't mean that every household does not have a cheap weapon hidden somewhere.  The numbers I quoted are the legitimate weapons that can be purchased.  The real problem is the lack of accountability of people with problems who have the right to purchase or carry.  There is a real failure to allow AR-15's with or without bump stocks on the streets.  Even hunters do not need those weapons. Congress's failure to act on weapons is now attracting the youth of America to protest.  Unfortunately the only true protest is at the ballot box... and less than 60% voted in the last election... and unfortunately the person with the most votes lost (once again).  The truly amazing statistic is that the draft dodgers are the most vocal supporters of guns.  Trump got out of serving by claiming "bone spurs."  Now he has said he would run into a school that is under siege even without a weapon.  

You are right Glos... too many weapons and my point is that we need stricter rules of who can have that weapon.  The young troubled killer in Florida had mental issues known to the police, the FBI and the school.  How in the world was he allowed to buy an attack weapon of such magnitude?  Instead of cowboys, we just have a true lot of insane people and blood sucking politicians.  BTW - for the most part, those who are NRA members, are law abiding citizens.  But the ability to buy off politicians is sickening.

25 Re: Armed teachers? on Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:41 pm

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26 Re: Armed teachers? on Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:43 pm

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27 Re: Armed teachers? on Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:05 pm

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Youri Djorkaeff
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observer wrote:
gloswhite wrote:
observer wrote:
gloswhite wrote:The very basic problem is that all Americans think they are cowboys, and as we can see by their politics towards guns, I think that description is quite apt.
Glos... you are so wrong on many levels.  Most Americans do not own guns.  It is not the politics of the Americans, rather the politics of the dollar.  The NRA contributes (or imo, buys) Congress... in this case conservatives.  33-36% of Americans own guns, and for what it's worth, they own more than one.  That accounts for the average of one gun per American.  The NRA only has 5 million Americans out of 325 million or so in this country.  But the NRA spent 54 million on the last election which helped the conservatives take the White House.  

Hence 2/3 of Americans don't have guns.  Only 1.5% of Americans belong to the NRA. But as you perceive it, "all Americans think they are cowboys."  I've heard that many people overseas believe that.  In truth, most Americans are not cowboys... far from it.  

It's unfortunate that our lame assed Congress has been bought and paid for by the NRA.  But most politicians are always running for office, and ergo, need money to pay for their campaigns.  The term of office of a representative is 2 years... and they are therefore always running.  The Senate term is 6 years.  It is estimated that a representative spends 1.5 million on each campaign (https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/2/27/17051560/money-nra-guns-contributions-donations-parkland) and the NRA funds candidates who earn A ratings from them.  This is a far cry from Americans supporting these guns.

Having used the military version of the AR-15, it is my belief that no one in this country needs that weapon of destruction.  I suppose most Americans believe that as well, but until Congress is not a paid partner of the NRA, it will be difficult to change the laws.  It is not unlike Brexit passing despite polls saying it would not be successful. In this case, we have a President who is stacking the Supreme Court moving it conservative by a vote of 5 to 4. Unlike you, we have to live with this President for 4 years... unless he has to resign from the pressure of the current investigations. It would be nice to call for a vote of no confidence in him.

Now let's get six points (maybe four?) from Preston and Reading, and start moving away from the relegation zone.
I found this quite interesting Obs, and accept that I got it wrong about all of them being cowboys. However one third of them owning at least one gun, is still something that makes you wonder about the system that allows it.
Regarding their politics, I still think its pathetic that the most powerful man in the world can be so openly bought by the NRA. To my mind, when 'Gunfight at the OK Corral' is becoming an accepted part of the national school system, I think the term 'cowboys' still applies, at least for the politicians.
Glos... politicians are blood suckers who have no real job.  In this country they legislate our social security and health care, but they do not participate in it.  They treat themselves like Kings and Queens... sort of like royalty.  It's nice to have a job where you can put in two years and then get a pension.  It's nice to have premium health care.  But it is certainly wrong to legislate for the masses and squeeze them by calling these "entitlements."  I know I have my pay stubs showing me how much I have paid for these "entitlements."  

I also find it disconcerting that so many Americans have weapons.  I live in a city that does not allow weapons... very tough gun laws that date back decades.  But that doesn't mean that every household does not have a cheap weapon hidden somewhere.  The numbers I quoted are the legitimate weapons that can be purchased.  The real problem is the lack of accountability of people with problems who have the right to purchase or carry.  There is a real failure to allow AR-15's with or without bump stocks on the streets.  Even hunters do not need those weapons. Congress's failure to act on weapons is now attracting the youth of America to protest.  Unfortunately the only true protest is at the ballot box... and less than 60% voted in the last election... and unfortunately the person with the most votes lost (once again).  The truly amazing statistic is that the draft dodgers are the most vocal supporters of guns.  Trump got out of serving by claiming "bone spurs."  Now he has said he would run into a school that is under siege even without a weapon.  

You are right Glos... too many weapons and my point is that we need stricter rules of who can have that weapon.  The young troubled killer in Florida had mental issues known to the police, the FBI and the school.  How in the world was he allowed to buy an attack weapon of such magnitude?  Instead of cowboys, we just have a true lot of insane people and blood sucking politicians.  BTW - for the most part, those who are NRA members, are law abiding citizens.  But the ability to buy off politicians is sickening.Absolutely agree with you Obs, good post.
Absolutely agree with all of this Obs, good post.
A few years ago I was driving in Laurel, and noticed a stream of cars sitting behind me, I was only doing 20-25, (wasn't sure where the turn-off was). When I got to the site, I mentioned that people would be shouting and hooting if I was in the UK. They said that it didn't happen there, as they might get shot for it. They weren't joking !

28 Re: Armed teachers? on Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:25 am

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My default position would be to ban guns in a public area, however if the constitution is to be up held then why not allow the people to have the right to own a firearm. But legislate heavily on the type of firearm.

Why would any normal family need an arsenal of sub machine guns on the wall.

At least this way the next nutter can only shoot one bullet at a time and not look like Rambo causing mayhem, a poor solution yes but at least a start to lessen the carnage.

29 Re: Armed teachers? on Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:40 am

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The US 2nd Amendment was originally based on our own Bill of Rights in the 17th century  So you can blame the English. Trouble is when you start arming enclosed groups such as teachers,  they will all want to upscale to AK47s, Bazookas, Shoulder held missiles or similar to prove their school is more secure. The NRA are a powerful lobby and as hunting is also a given right in the US it'll be difficult for Trump to bring it under control. I believe there are about 4 million guns of all descriptions on the streets of America so perhaps an impossible task to get them under any sort of control. Still, Donald will fall over his size nines making a mockery of any such task.

30 Re: Armed teachers? on Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:41 pm

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Bollotom2014 wrote:The US 2nd Amendment was originally based on our own Bill of Rights in the 17th century  So you can blame the English. Trouble is when you start arming enclosed groups such as teachers,  they will all want to upscale to AK47s, Bazookas, Shoulder held missiles or similar to prove their school is more secure. The NRA are a powerful lobby and as hunting is also a given right in the US it'll be difficult for Trump to bring it under control. I believe there are about 4 million guns of all descriptions on the streets of America so perhaps an impossible task to get them under any sort of control. Still, Donald will fall over his size nines making a mockery of any such task.
The question in modern times is what this means:


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Do you read this as the rights of the individual to bear arms, or those who form a militia?

Secondly, the forefathers could not have seen the destructive force of modern weapons.

Thirdly, the number of guns of all descriptions, as estimated by The Washington Post, is 357 million, which is more than one gun per person in the USA.  As I said before, the NRA is politically powerful by buying off the conservative Congressional members, but there are only an estimated 5 million members (found in the NRA's self description).  

Finally, there are some truths that should be self evident and cannot pass Congress due to the NRA's opposition (and financial contributions).  These include banning "bump stocks" which turn the AR-15 into military style M-16's, raising the age of purchase to 21 from 18, having a waiting period before purchase, coordinating a mental health and criminal check of all applicants wishing to buy weapons (having strong background checks), and finally the banning of the sale of assault weapons.  We have had way too many mass shootings in the United States, and not one of these changes have become legislation.  Meanwhile, most civilized (or civilised) countries ban weapons from everyone, and if you examine the statistics of the USA versus those countries in mass shootings, the difference cannot be overlooked.  The hope here is the youth of America will rise up and throw out the politicians who are being bought by the NRA and get the legislation finally passed. With a national average of 57% voting in national elections (around 40% in local elections), a coordinated effort by the new young voters could have a huge effect on an election of legislators.  One can hope!!!

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