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1 We can still stay up - and will. on Tue May 01 2018, 23:48

Sluffy

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I've not been around much in the last week or so and the defeatists and mentalists seem to be dominating most of the threads at the moment but are things really as bad as they think?

Yes of course we are no longer in control of our destiny going into the last game but the key fixtures have fallen kindly for us and the right results in all of them are in all honesty a more likely outcome than not.

Obviously we have to win but we are at home and play Forest who have nothing to play for and hopefully in spirit if not body, are already on the beech.

We have to go for the win - and in all honesty we should be able to get it too!

If we do, nay, when we do, we will have two more points than either Barnsley or Burton - meaning they would have to win their games to keep ahead of us - and thus stand their best chance of avoiding relegation.

The teams they play are (Barnsley at) Derby and (Burton at) Preston.

The thing that makes it interesting though is that Derby currently sit the last play-off place on 72 points and Preston are the team immediately below them on 70 points.

In reality the last play-off spot can only be filled by one of these teams.

Preston HAVE to win to stand any chance and Derby HAVE to avoid defeat.

So it is certainly not unreasonable for Derby to take at least a point from Barnsley, and for Preston to go all out for the win against Burton.

If Bolton win - and they should do - and Barnsley and Burton each don't win away at two sides going for the last remaining play-off place - then we will have avoided relegation.

Yes, I know, not everything goes to plan but if you were impartial to the goings on, I think most people would back us to win against Forest and for Barnsley and Burton not to take full points at Derby and Preston respectively.

The big fat lady as certainly not sung just yet!

Keep positive lads, we can still do this.




2 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 01:05

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Andy Walker
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Sluffy wrote:I've not been around much in the last week or so and the defeatists and mentalists seem to be dominating most of the threads at the moment but are things really as bad as they think?

Yes of course we are no longer in control of our destiny going into the last game but the key fixtures have fallen kindly for us and the right results in all of them are in all honesty a more likely outcome than not.

Obviously we have to win but we are at home and play Forest who have nothing to play for and hopefully in spirit if not body, are already on the beech.

We have to go for the win - and in all honesty we should be able to get it too!

If we do, nay, when we do, we will have two more points than either Barnsley or Burton - meaning they would have to win their games to keep ahead of us - and thus stand their best chance of avoiding relegation.

The teams they play are (Barnsley at) Derby and (Burton at) Preston.

The thing that makes it interesting though is that Derby currently sit the last play-off place on 72 points and Preston are the team immediately below them on 70 points.

In reality the last play-off spot can only be filled by one of these teams.

Preston HAVE to win to stand any chance and Derby HAVE to avoid defeat.

So it is certainly not unreasonable for Derby to take at least a point from Barnsley, and for Preston to go all out for the win against Burton.

If Bolton win - and they should do - and Barnsley and Burton each don't win away at two sides going for the last remaining play-off place - then we will have avoided relegation.

Yes, I know, not everything goes to plan but if you were impartial to the goings on, I think most people would back us to win against Forest and for Barnsley and Burton not to take full points at Derby and Preston respectively.

The big fat lady as certainly not sung just yet!

Keep positive lads, we can still do this.




I hope Parky is reading this and knows we need to win!  I too have hope... though it has been dented these past few weeks.

3 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 08:06

Natasha Whittam

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Sluffy wrote:I've not been around much in the last week or so and the defeatists and mentalists seem to be dominating most of the threads at the moment but are things really as bad as they think?


Suggesting we are staying up makes you the mentalist.

4 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 08:20

xmiles

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I can see Barnsley only getting a point or losing and Burton losing but can see no evidence that we will beat Forest based on our current form.

5 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 08:23

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Agree with Xmiles. Forest had nothing to play for against Barnsley and beat them 2-0. Karanka is an intense character, they’ll be well drilled and they have a young squad who’ll be up for it. 

Ive thought we’re going down for a fee weeks now, nice to have a chance though.

6 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 08:35

Soul Kitchen

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xmiles wrote:I can see Barnsley only getting a point or losing and Burton losing but can see no evidence that we will beat Forest based on our current form.

+1
Barnsley and Burton will slip up and we won't get three points!

7 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 08:51

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T.R.O.Y wrote:Agree with Xmiles. Forest had nothing to play for against Barnsley and beat them 2-0. Karanka is an intense character, they’ll be well drilled and they have a young squad who’ll be up for it. 

Ive thought we’re going down for a fee weeks now, nice to have a chance though.

It was 3-0

8 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 08:53

Boggersbelief

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I think Birmingham will go down, Fulham will tonk them about 4-0. So hopefully we can grind out a win

9 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 10:09

Norpig

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It still leaves us relying on 2 out of 3 other teams getting beat and us winning, i'll bet the odds on that happening would be quite high.

10 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 11:03

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Norpig wrote:It still leaves us relying on 2 out of 3 other teams getting beat and us winning, i'll bet the odds on that happening would be quite high.

Too high- I think we won't manage it because it depends on us winning and I can't see that happening.

11 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 11:10

Boggersbelief

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Norpig wrote:It still leaves us relying on 2 out of 3 other teams getting beat and us winning, i'll bet the odds on that happening would be quite high.

As Sluffy said, the odds are more in our favour I’d say.

Burton and Barnsley are dogshit (as are we).. I can’t see either of them going away to promotion hopefuls and winning.

Whereas we are not as shit at home as we are away and we are due a win.

12 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 11:28

karlypants

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Boggersbelief wrote:
Norpig wrote:It still leaves us relying on 2 out of 3 other teams getting beat and us winning, i'll bet the odds on that happening would be quite high.

As Sluffy said, the odds are more in our favour I’d say.

Burton and Barnsley are dogshit (as are we).. I can’t see either of them going away to promotion hopefuls and winning.

Whereas we are not as shit at home as we are away and we are due a win.
We had been due an away win for yonks though Boggers and that didn’t happen did it.

I realistically don’t think we will stay up now.

13 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 11:35

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We at least have a chance, even though we need 3 results to go our way to do it. I just hope we can show the fight and determination that Burton showed against us.

14 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 12:20

karlypants

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The lads would still get lost on the way to the opponents goal even if they had a sat nav to guide them there!

15 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 13:06

Boggersbelief

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Now is not the time for negativity, now is the time to stand up and be counted.

16 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 13:11

Natasha Whittam

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Boggersbelief wrote:Now is not the time for negativity, now is the time to stand up and be counted.

Shut your fat face Boggers, anyone feeling positive right now is a fucking mentalist.

17 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 13:18

Boggersbelief

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If we were all the crew on a sinking ship, I’d be the one plugging all the holes whilst you lot watched and shook your heads

18 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 13:20

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Boggersbelief wrote:If we were all the crew on a sinking ship, I’d be the one plugging all the holes whilst you lot watched and shook your heads
Can you play defense?  We have a couple of holes there.  All we need is one good game, a couple of goals, and hope results go our way.  Not too much to ask!

19 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 13:21

rammywhite

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Boggersbelief wrote:If we were all the crew on a sinking ship, I’d be the one plugging all the holes whilst you lot watched and shook your heads

Nat will see something vulgar in that comment

20 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 13:39

karlypants

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Boggersbelief wrote:Now is not the time for negativity, now is the time to stand up and be counted.
The players need to stand up and do the biz!!!

Why should it always be the fans that have to keep pushing the team?

21 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 13:54

Boggersbelief

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karlypants wrote:
Boggersbelief wrote:Now is not the time for negativity, now is the time to stand up and be counted.
The players need to stand up and do the biz!!!

Why should it always be the fans that have to keep pushing the team?

Players come and go, fans are there for life. Unless you’re norpig

22 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 14:02

finlaymcdanger

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The proposition that we'll actually beat Forest is fantastical

23 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 14:12

Norpig

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Nat Lofthouse
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Boggersbelief wrote:
karlypants wrote:
Boggersbelief wrote:Now is not the time for negativity, now is the time to stand up and be counted.
The players need to stand up and do the biz!!!

Why should it always be the fans that have to keep pushing the team?

Players come and go, fans are there for life. Unless you’re norpig
Don't make me break out the Mum jokes again young man

24 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 14:16

boltonbonce

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Boggersbelief wrote:If we were all the crew on a sinking ship, I’d be the one plugging all the holes whilst you lot watched and shook your heads
And wondering why you just didn't get on the lifeboat like the rest of us.

25 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 15:28

Boggersbelief

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boltonbonce wrote:
Boggersbelief wrote:If we were all the crew on a sinking ship, I’d be the one plugging all the holes whilst you lot watched and shook your heads
And wondering why you just didn't get on the lifeboat like the rest of us.

A captain never leaves his ship.

26 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 15:44

Bwfc1958

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Tinned Toms - You know it makes sense!
I'm with Boggers and Sluffy. I reckon we've got a very good chance. If we've not scored by 70/75 minutes though, a bit of panic and desperation will set in. As it stands though, I actually fancy our chances.

27 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 15:55

Natasha Whittam

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Those in the mentalist camp are simply experiencing wishful thinking. There is no recent evidence to suggest we will score, never mind win.

If Forest score early I can see it getting messy very quickly.

28 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 15:58

MartinBWFC

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Natasha Whittam wrote:Those in the mentalist camp are simply experiencing wishful thinking. There is no recent evidence to suggest we will score, never mind win.

If Forest score early I can see it getting messy very quickly.
Nat, grasshopper has already assured us we are staying up, nothing to see here.

29 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 16:05

Bwfc1958

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Tinned Toms - You know it makes sense!
Not just wishful thinking, I believe it. Parky won't want a relegation on his cv, who would? If he can find his bollocks and put out a bit more of an attacking side, which I think he will going off Ken's comments, then a win is attainable.

30 Re: We can still stay up - and will. on Wed May 02 2018, 16:07

Boggersbelief

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Natasha Whittam wrote:Those in the mentalist camp are simply experiencing wishful thinking. There is no recent evidence to suggest we will score, never mind win.

If Forest score early I can see it getting messy very quickly.

There’s no recent evidence to suggest we’ll score, correct.

But the laws of average suggest we will, and when we get one I think they’ll flow.

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