Time to go, but who's next ?

Boggersbelief wrote:

Breadman wrote:Boggers......?

Yes?

Breadman wrote:

Boggersbelief wrote:

Breadman wrote:Boggers......?

Yes?

If you don't stop leaking stuff to the press, you're going to wind up very cold and eating your frost-bitten fingers to survive.

Fair warning.

Breadman wrote:No doubt all this is going right over Boggers' head.

It strikes me that he's not big on reading actual books......

JAH wrote:

wanderlust wrote:

Breadman wrote:If the debt's not the problem, Sluff (and I'm not contradicting you in saying that), why didn't we snap up Jutkiewicz when we had the chance?

And why are we closing in on the end of the transfer window with precious little to show for our "efforts" to bring in new players?

Freedman went on record as saying that all his transfer business would be concluded "in the first couple of weeks of the window" and the way things are looking, he was right.

We're scratching round for loan deals that all appear to be getting hijacked as soon as our interest becomes public knowledge and it's not looking good.

All the signs are that we have absolutely no money to bring in (desperately needed) new players and if it's not the debt, what is it?

 

I'd imagine it's because of FFP and public scrutiny. As I understand it, FFP means that clubs can only spend on transfers the amount they have made in trading profit.

With BWFC having invested in land and infrastructure etc there is no profit "on paper" and therefore the money available to spend on transfers is zero under FFP regulations.
However in future years it may be possible to declare a paper profit providing the ROI on the land/infrastructure outstrips the loan repayments which at 0% interest would be £16.3 million p.a. if it was a straight line repayment agreement.
Also depends on how much further investment is required to develop the assets.

The conundrum is this:

If a club doesn't invest in a diverse range of income streams (property development, retail, hotels, facilities etc) the profit it makes will be entirely dependent on football-related trading activities and therefore it will have to spend heavily on the team to generate that profit. All good but it means all their eggs are in one basket AND they have to be successful as a team every year despite only spending the profit they make on players .
If a club diversifies it's investments it is hamstrung in the early years as any profit goes into investments rather than on the pitch, but in the long term the risk is spread and there is a much more secure base to the business meaning more to spend on players in the future.

We have chosen short term pain for long term gain it would seem.

Which is even more baffling that the club don't appear to be too bothered about attendances dropping. You would think that them upstairs would want the football side to be as profitable as possible.

I've heard this mentioned a number of times in passing, but there seems to be breakdown between the football side of the business and the business itself. The supporters are paramount to the survival of the football club, but the business men seem to have lost touch with that. No supporters = no football club.

When big Nat was here he was the conduit between the business and the football club, but since his passing that appears to be broken. On the face of it is obvious what needs to happen.

The football side of the business needs to be refocused and more effort has to be done to make it run to capacity (i.e. maximising turnover from developed players, turnover from the stadium, merchandise turnover etc).

On the subject of capacity We have a 25k person stadium that we are barely half filling. Get bums on seats whatever it takes. I'm not going to go into change of managerial personnel etc again, but that should also be a consideration, even to the point of style of football should be a considered. Drop ticket prices (refund some of the season ticket holders the difference if that keeps us regular supporters happy) as long as we start filling the stadium. More bums on seats = more paying for drinks and pies and more money spent in the store. When we have the capacity of the stadium up the football side of the business will also be working at an increased capacity and we'll have a greater turnover.

I can't for the life of me think of a reason why this is not being done.

MartinBWFC wrote:

bwfc1874 wrote:Ye bet Hierro can't wait to leave Real Madrid and come to Bolton!

Lighten up, ffs, confrontational doesn't suit you.

Rancid Robert wrote:Malky.

rammywhite wrote:

Rancid Robert wrote:Malky.

No way- he's damaged goods now. That would be the same as having the payday loan company as sponsor. Dropping them was one of the things that Gartside got right

wanderlust wrote:

rammywhite wrote:

Rancid Robert wrote:Malky.the things that Gartside got right
No way- he's damaged goods now. That would be the same as having the payday loan company as sponsor. Dropping them was one of

He is possibly the only manager with any sort of experience who would even consider coming to our club if offered the  job.
And what is there to lose? We are already a laughing stock.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Even I would rather have Jimmy Phillips, I'd have JP way way way way way down my list.

wanderlust wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Even I would rather have Jimmy Phillips, I'd have JP way way way way way down my list.

McKay is indeed objectionable however as someone who can't see a realistic appointment other than from within the club if it came to it, I'd love to see this lengthy list that JP is propping up. 

There aren't many experienced managers who are capable of working on no budget and willing to work for low wages and the only ones I can think of are currently in better jobs.

Who do you think would be a realistic option HN?

wanderlust wrote:
McKay is indeed objectionable however as someone who can't see a realistic appointment other than from within the club if it came to it,

Natasha Whittam wrote:

wanderlust wrote:
McKay is indeed objectionable however as someone who can't see a realistic appointment other than from within the club if it came to it,

Any manager in League 1 or 2 would give their right arm to be Bolton Wanderers manager. And quite a few in the Championship.

There are some great managers in the lower leagues, with proven records in finding good players for peanuts.