wanderlust wrote: Natasha Whittam wrote:
When I start my Natasha forum you will be banned before you join.
Delusional on so many levels.
Still, I suppose that's one way to maintain the denial.
To be honest I think you are the one in denial Lusty.
In general terms the young of the two respective country's voted for 'Remain' and 'Clinton' yet as we know they both lost.
So an awful lot of people who have experienced many previous elections - and broken electoral promises - voted against.
I certainly don't think vast numbers of them actually really believed all (or even most) of what either side said during the elections - they didn't vote for Brexit because they were racist, nor voted for Trump because they really believed he would build a wall - they voted for them because they wanted a change from the way they have been going for the last twenty or thirty years.
For them, they have seen their 'world's' get worse, their prospects (and those of their children) decline and can't see anyway by going the way they have, that things will ever improve.
I think both France and Germany current political leaderships will both face a similar wave of discontent from the electorate the next time they go to the country - not because they are doing a bad job or are going in the wrong direction - but because many, many normal folk have seen things get gradually worse for them and their children and don't want to go down that road anymore.
You can rationalise Brexit and Trump any way you want but the bottom line to most people is that the EU and Washington wasn't benefiting them in their day to day perception and a change - any change - was better for them than carrying on the way they were.
In football terms the Cameron's, Clinton's and many other current traditional western leaders - seem to have lost the dressing room.