Corbyn re-elected

I think Labour have blown it big time. It looks like Len McCluskey is running the Labour Party and I think Corbyn is going to struggle to form an effective shadow cabinet. Theresa May has never had it so good.

If only all the Labour politicians had put half as much effort into running an effective opposition, rather than squabbling like greedy children, everybody may have benefitted.

Seems to be a lot of talk of unity coming from Corbyns side and the centre left since the re-election. A lots going to depend on what shadow cabinet Corbyn puts in place but only Tristram Hunt (who I had a lot of time for as a front bench MP) seems intent on carrying on the bad blood). 

Have to see who he gets to serve in his shadow cabinet, but both sides need to accept that Labour's strength is that it's a broad church. There's an appetite in the membership for more left wing policy, but the leadership must make concessions to get everybody on side. 

Clive Lewis announced the party will be supporting renewal of Trident and committing to Nato's 2% defence spending pledge. So maybe lessons are being learnt.

okocha wrote:The leader of Portsmouth City Council's Labour group has resigned from the party following Jeremy Corbyn's re-election.
He said the party under Mr Corbyn had become a "protest movement that has no interest in winning power".
So much for the party's calls for everyone to unite, following Corbyn's increased majority win!
 Is the in-fighting and ill-timed challenge to Corbyn more destructive of the party's prospects than the man himself?

Shit, I hadn't read this. 

Not sure the party will be able to bounce back from losing an unnamed councillor from Portsmouth.

John Ferrett

okocha wrote:John Ferrett

Apparently he's got a whippet too. Thats's one more traditional Labour voter lost to UKIP.

Comment of the week, hands down.

okocha wrote:John Ferrett

Just looked him up, he declared Corbyn a traitor for advocating nuclear disarmament.

Seems like a level headed bloke.

Fascinating interview with Laura Kuenssberg on BBC Radio 4's Today programme. Although some Labour MPs have called for the party to back reforms to curb the number of migrants following the vote to leave the European Union, Corbyn said a migrant impact fund would "allay people's concerns" about the impact of migration. He also said the "crucial" issue was the undercutting of wages and not the numbers of migrants.

So basically Corbyn's take on the Brexit vote and the mass switching of votes from Labour to UKIP is that voters don't want the single market but do want to see more immigrants.

He continually shows that he hasn't got a grasp on the bigger politics, preferring to talk about work-place problems, and mainly things that affect individuals. Not a bad thing in itself, but not for the office he's holding.
I'm fast beginning to believe that he veers away from big topics, because he just doesn't have experience of them. He's spent a lifetime with petty politics, and just can't/wont raise his game.

Has he ever said anything about the current crisis in NHS funding? This is something that the Tories should be vulnerable on but the latest opinion poll shows that more people trust May with the NHS than trust Corbyn!

He is a useless twat and a cast iron guarantee that the Tories will walk the next election no matter what they do.

xmiles wrote:Fascinating interview with Laura Kuenssberg on BBC Radio 4's Today programme. Although some Labour MPs have called for the party to back reforms to curb the number of migrants following the vote to leave the European Union, Corbyn said a migrant impact fund would "allay people's concerns" about the impact of migration. He also said the "crucial" issue was the undercutting of wages and not the numbers of migrants.

So basically Corbyn's take on the Brexit vote and the mass switching of votes from Labour to UKIP is that voters don't want the single market but do want to see more immigrants.

What parallel universe is this guy living in?
The destruction of Labour as a serious political party is heart breaking.

rammywhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:Fascinating interview with Laura Kuenssberg on BBC Radio 4's Today programme. Although some Labour MPs have called for the party to back reforms to curb the number of migrants following the vote to leave the European Union, Corbyn said a migrant impact fund would "allay people's concerns" about the impact of migration. He also said the "crucial" issue was the undercutting of wages and not the numbers of migrants.

So basically Corbyn's take on the Brexit vote and the mass switching of votes from Labour to UKIP is that voters don't want the single market but do want to see more immigrants.

What parallel universe is this guy living in?
The destruction of Labour as a serious political party is heart breaking.

Not to mention they should demand more money when they get over here, 

Seriously depressing watching question time last night. Yes it was in Boston, but the tone of the immigration debate has changed. Whereas before we saw politicians making the case for immigration (for which there is a strong one) it now seems to be regarded as political suicide to do so, the audience went wild at any suggestion that wasn't in line with - 'immigrants are to blame for all of our problems'.

Fair play to Corbyn for having principles and sticking to them, I fear the narrative in this country has already swung too far to the right though. With UKIP paling into insignificance the Tories could end up picking up those voters who see being tough on immigration the be all and end all.

bwfc1874 wrote:Seriously depressing watching question time last night. Yes it was in Boston, but the tone of the immigration debate has changed. Whereas before we saw politicians making the case for immigration (for which there is a strong one) it now seems to be regarded as political suicide to do so, the audience went wild at any suggestion that wasn't in line with - 'immigrants are to blame for all of our problems'.

Fair play to Corbyn for having principles and sticking to them, I fear the narrative in this country has already swung too far to the right though. With UKIP paling into insignificance the Tories could end up picking up those voters who see being tough on immigration the be all and end all.

So you're right and everyone else is wrong?

We all think we know best .

Natasha Whittam wrote:

bwfc1874 wrote:Seriously depressing watching question time last night. Yes it was in Boston, but the tone of the immigration debate has changed. Whereas before we saw politicians making the case for immigration (for which there is a strong one) it now seems to be regarded as political suicide to do so, the audience went wild at any suggestion that wasn't in line with - 'immigrants are to blame for all of our problems'.

Fair play to Corbyn for having principles and sticking to them, I fear the narrative in this country has already swung too far to the right though. With UKIP paling into insignificance the Tories could end up picking up those voters who see being tough on immigration the be all and end all.

So you're right and everyone else is wrong?

I think there are downsides but immigration has a net benefit to this country. Governments should do a lot more to help ease the burden of high immigration.

So yes I'm right.

bwfc1874 wrote:Seriously depressing watching question time last night. Yes it was in Boston, but the tone of the immigration debate has changed. Whereas before we saw politicians making the case for immigration (for which there is a strong one) it now seems to be regarded as political suicide to do so, the audience went wild at any suggestion that wasn't in line with - 'immigrants are to blame for all of our problems'.

Fair play to Corbyn for having principles and sticking to them, I fear the narrative in this country has already swung too far to the right though. With UKIP paling into insignificance the Tories could end up picking up those voters who see being tough on immigration the be all and end all.

We've all got principles. The thing is Corbyn's principles aren't in tune with the millions of Labour voters that now vote UKIP and/or Tory.

How can this party get re-elected ? It cannot win back its' own voters, let alone the floating voters needed for an outright majority. 

UKIP has not palled into insignificance. It will continue to be around until Labour sorts itself out, and watching Corbyn's and his cult faction singing 'The Red Flag' at the end of Conference,  that could be years away.

bwfc1874 wrote:Seriously depressing watching question time last night. Yes it was in Boston, but the tone of the immigration debate has changed. Whereas before we saw politicians making the case for immigration (for which there is a strong one) it now seems to be regarded as political suicide to do so, the audience went wild at any suggestion that wasn't in line with - 'immigrants are to blame for all of our problems'.

Fair play to Corbyn for having principles and sticking to them, I fear the narrative in this country has already swung too far to the right though. With UKIP paling into insignificance the Tories could end up picking up those voters who see being tough on immigration the be all and end all.

This constant talk of Corbyn being a man of principle is bollocks. Look at his behaviour over the EU referendum or his farcical claim that there were no seats available on the train. Also look at the way he tolerates his supporters abusing Labour MPs who don't support him.

If he is a man of principle how can he object to other MPs following their principles by opposing him? After all to quote wiki "Between 1997 and 2010, during the most recent Labour Government, Corbyn was the Labour MP who voted most often against the party whip, including three-line whip votes. In 2005 he was identified as the second most rebellious Labour MP of all time when the party was in government. He was the most rebellious Labour MP in the 1997–2001 Parliament, the 2001–2005 Parliament and the 2005–2010 Parliament, defying the whip 428 times while Labour was in power."