Brexit negotiations

Thought I'd post this up, to see what people think?

Tony Blair says stopping Brexit more important than Labour winning next election
‘I think this principle's too important ... I would put it above everything else right now for the country’

Article here -

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/stopping-brexit-labour-tony-blair-jeremy-corbyn-eu-referendum-general-election-a8114531.html


My view for what it is worth is, what point is there having Brexit but wanting to be closely linked to the EU for trade purposes and having to toe EU control and legislation to do so?

Might as well stay in and have a say on how it is run.

People are fickle and things change over time (even short periods of time), so if there was another referendum tomorrow, I have no doubt Remain would win by a large margin.

I can't see much point politicians saying they are doing what the public want - if the public as since changed its mind?

Yes, you could use my rationale against me and argue that if we had a referendum again and Remain won, then what's to say people wouldn't change their minds again and want Brexit another couple of years later?

I think the difference is, is that most people can see that Brexit isn't the end of the rainbow that some people thought and that it will (and has) hurt us all financially.  

The Labour Party should be leading the fight as per its core belief for improving peoples life's.

It seems ridiculous to me that we have a Prime Minister, the Leader of the Opposition, and the vast majority of MP's who all voted Remain, with a country that is almost certainly now pro-Remain majority, looking to make us all worse off by pretending they are doing the democratic thing 'the voice of the people has spoken' when clearly now they do not.


Just for the record I didn't vote in the referendum.

I agree with you (to nobody's surprise).

What made you decide not vote Sluffy?

T.R.O.Y wrote:What made you decide not vote Sluffy?

I've not voted for years actually.

When I worked in local government I had to deal with many councillors of all parties and I thought it best to stay impartial at all times so could not have my impartiality questioned.

Probably a bit extreme of me but in the authorities I worked in (and lived) non of them were ever marginal, so that whichever party I voted for, everyone knew who were going to win - so what really was the point?

Nothing much as changed in that respect over the years and similarly when it came to the referendum I knew my one vote would not change anything much so I didn't bother.

To be honest I would have found it difficult to know how I would have voted on the day even if I had bothered.  

I had seen how unfettered immigration had negatively effected the local community in terms of health access, housing and education availability but as a father knew the longer term benefits of remaining in the EU for the future of my daughter.

I guess I took the easy option of not voting rather than having to make my mind up.

For what its worth on the few times I couldn't avoid discussing the subject with someone or other leading up to the day, I would always point out that the person I believed to have the best impartial advice on the matter was Mark Carney.

Sorry guys, my pc has been down for the last couple of days. 

Having said that, I've now read your comments, and you know what? Even though I've no problem answering them, I enjoyed the break from all the haranguing and the immovable points of view, and decided that I'm taking time off from the forum until after the New Year. 

Happy Christmas everyone, and I hope that you all have a good and enjoyable 2018, especially you remainer rent-a- rabble  

Sorry you won't be contributing for a while glos - see you in the New Year.

I hope the magic money tree brings you lots of goodies just like brexit will.

gloswhite wrote:Sorry guys, my pc has been down for the last couple of days. 

Having said that, I've now read your comments, and you know what? Even though I've no problem answering them, I enjoyed the break from all the haranguing and the immovable points of view, and decided that I'm taking time off from the forum until after the New Year. 

Happy Christmas everyone, and I hope that you all have a good and enjoyable 2018, especially you remainer rent-a- rabble  

Have a happy Christmas  Glos. Having a break from Nuts is no bad thing.

Let's hope the new year brings us a little more clarity.

gloswhite wrote:Sorry guys, my pc has been down for the last couple of days. 

Having said that, I've now read your comments, and you know what? Even though I've no problem answering them, I enjoyed the break from all the haranguing and the immovable points of view, and decided that I'm taking time off from the forum until after the New Year. 

Happy Christmas everyone, and I hope that you all have a good and enjoyable 2018, especially you remainer rent-a- rabble  

Happy Christmas to you Glos.

I'm sorry you've been 'put off' Nuts, I'm sure that was nobodies intention at all.

You answer to no-one off Nuts, so you do not need reply to anyone questioning your opinion on anything.  It's their problem if they don't like your view point or reasons for it - not yours to justify it to them or anyone else.

The Brexit result has unfortunately split the country - and not for the better.

It's certainly had a divisive effect here on our Nuts community.

There's no rights and wrongs on this - as the old saying goes 'one mans meat is another mans poison'.

Nobody can see the future, we might be better or worse outside the EU - nobody knows until it has happened and we've had 20 or 30 years experience of it.

It's not the end of the world though, Norway for instance has had many years outside of the EU and haven't exactly rushed to take our place in it have they?

Anyway, please don't feel you have to justify your opinions to anyone - if they don't like it, then let them lump it - either way it's not going to change anything much is it?

Hope you are back posting soon B.

All the very best to you and yours from Sluffy Towers.

Merry Christmas Glos!

Just to point out, nobody questioned the validity of Glos’s opinion, that would be wrong.He was asked to clarify a statement of ‘fact’. Which very is important.

Anyway have a good xmas Glos, get posting again soon the site needs a variety of opinions.

Sluffy wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:What made you decide not vote Sluffy?

I've not voted for years actually.

When I worked in local government I had to deal with many councillors of all parties and I thought it best to stay impartial at all times so could not have my impartiality questioned.

Probably a bit extreme of me but in the authorities I worked in (and lived) non of them were ever marginal, so that whichever party I voted for, everyone knew who were going to win - so what really was the point?

Nothing much as changed in that respect over the years and similarly when it came to the referendum I knew my one vote would not change anything much so I didn't bother.

To be honest I would have found it difficult to know how I would have voted on the day even if I had bothered.  

I had seen how unfettered immigration had negatively effected the local community in terms of health access, housing and education availability but as a father knew the longer term benefits of remaining in the EU for the future of my daughter.

I guess I took the easy option of not voting rather than having to make my mind up.

For what its worth on the few times I couldn't avoid discussing the subject with someone or other leading up to the day, I would always point out that the person I believed to have the best impartial advice on the matter was Mark Carney.

I think you've just put the case for proportional representation - and/or possibly compulsory voting.

boltonbonce wrote:

gloswhite wrote:Sorry guys, my pc has been down for the last couple of days. 

Having said that, I've now read your comments, and you know what? Even though I've no problem answering them, I enjoyed the break from all the haranguing and the immovable points of view, and decided that I'm taking time off from the forum until after the New Year. 

Happy Christmas everyone, and I hope that you all have a good and enjoyable 2018, especially you remainer rent-a- rabble  

Have a happy Christmas  Glos. Having a break from Nuts is no bad thing.

Let's hope the new year brings us a little more clarity.

Ditto. Have a great Xmas Glos.

wanderlust wrote:

Sluffy wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:What made you decide not vote Sluffy?

I've not voted for years actually.

When I worked in local government I had to deal with many councillors of all parties and I thought it best to stay impartial at all times so could not have my impartiality questioned.

Probably a bit extreme of me but in the authorities I worked in (and lived) non of them were ever marginal, so that whichever party I voted for, everyone knew who were going to win - so what really was the point?

Nothing much as changed in that respect over the years and similarly when it came to the referendum I knew my one vote would not change anything much so I didn't bother.

To be honest I would have found it difficult to know how I would have voted on the day even if I had bothered.  

I had seen how unfettered immigration had negatively effected the local community in terms of health access, housing and education availability but as a father knew the longer term benefits of remaining in the EU for the future of my daughter.

I guess I took the easy option of not voting rather than having to make my mind up.

For what its worth on the few times I couldn't avoid discussing the subject with someone or other leading up to the day, I would always point out that the person I believed to have the best impartial advice on the matter was Mark Carney.

I think you've just put the case for proportional representation - and/or possibly compulsory voting.

Yes, proportional representation for a yes / no question - brilliant idea!

51.9% Brexit, 48,1% Remain plus another 4.7% of people like Wanderlust who clearly never think things through!

Sluffy wrote:

wanderlust wrote:

Sluffy wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:What made you decide not vote Sluffy?

I've not voted for years actually.

When I worked in local government I had to deal with many councillors of all parties and I thought it best to stay impartial at all times so could not have my impartiality questioned.

Probably a bit extreme of me but in the authorities I worked in (and lived) non of them were ever marginal, so that whichever party I voted for, everyone knew who were going to win - so what really was the point?

Nothing much as changed in that respect over the years and similarly when it came to the referendum I knew my one vote would not change anything much so I didn't bother.

To be honest I would have found it difficult to know how I would have voted on the day even if I had bothered.  

I had seen how unfettered immigration had negatively effected the local community in terms of health access, housing and education availability but as a father knew the longer term benefits of remaining in the EU for the future of my daughter.

I guess I took the easy option of not voting rather than having to make my mind up.

For what its worth on the few times I couldn't avoid discussing the subject with someone or other leading up to the day, I would always point out that the person I believed to have the best impartial advice on the matter was Mark Carney.

I think you've just put the case for proportional representation - and/or possibly compulsory voting.

Yes, proportional representation for a yes / no question - brilliant idea!

51.9% Brexit, 48,1% Remain plus another 4.7% of people like Wanderlust who clearly never think things through!

So how many yes/no questions have you not voted for in years? 
Were they all "should I vote or not?"
Tosser.

Interesting statement from the EU regarding the Brexit transitional period. They say it won't go beyond 2 years i.e. the end of 2020. That implies a degree of optimism over the pace of striking a trade deal.
It took 10 years to work out the trade deal between the EU and Canada and that didn't include the most controversial element - and in our case Britain's biggest earner - the financial sector.

wanderlust wrote:Interesting statement from the EU regarding the Brexit transitional period. They say it won't go beyond 2 years i.e. the end of 2020. That implies a degree of optimism over the pace of striking a trade deal.
It took 10 years to work out the trade deal between the EU and Canada and that didn't include the most controversial element - and in our case Britain's biggest earner - the financial sector.

This has just been contextualised by the IMF downgrading Britain's growth forecast to 1.6% in the light of investor uncertainty over Brexit.

(IMF Chief)  said that relative to growth in the rest of the world, "the UK is losing out as a result of higher inflation, pressure on wages and incomes and delayed investment".


With inflation rising above 3% and growth at roughly half of that, I guess they have a point.

Plus local government will be able to increase council tax by a massive amount above inflation, as will police commissioners (???), thus giving the BofE's Carney a big headache. This alone will keep inflation at its current level.

Bollotom2014 wrote:Plus local government will be able to increase council tax by a massive amount above inflation, as will police commissioners (???), thus giving the BofE's Carney a big headache. This alone will keep inflation at its current level.

Not sure what you are referring to about the Police, but whilst growth is lower than inflation it can only lead to a further reduction in the standard of living for the majority of people.

Bollotom2014 wrote:This alone will keep inflation at its current level.

Don't disagree that inflation will remain high. Not sure why you think increasing the money going to the police will do this though?

All those coppers add up.