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Pair of foreign investors in £30m race to buy Wanderers!

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BoltonTillIDie

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TWO foreign investors have been pitched against each other in a race to buy Bolton Wanderers Football Club for £30million.

Owner Ken Anderson claims he has received two serious offers, one from a US consortium and another from an Asian businessman based in the Middle East, who have now both provided proof of funds.

Both have pledged “substantial” cash backing for the club in the future and Anderson hopes competition could prove beneficial.

“Both have got all the figures, and they both have the money – that’s the main thing. And as of last night, it’s first past the post,” he told The Bolton News.

“To put them into context, we have had a lot of inquiries but over the course of our time here we’ve probably had 10 serious offers, and five who have proved they have the funds.

“I have always said that if someone comes along with the funds to take the club forward, I would have no problem. And we are talking here about people with substantial funding.

“Unfortunately I have not got that kind of money but using Derby County as an example, their owner has put in something approaching £200m, Brighton was £160m when they got promotion, and that’s the kind of backing we’re talking here.

“What happens now is down to them. They may choose not to come back at all. But when you only have one offer you are forced to go at their pace, with two you can have more control.”

Anderson has confirmed a figure of £30m has been put on the table for his shares in parent company Burnden Leisure.

“That was the figure offered to me,” he said. “And whether you are selling a car, a house, whatever, it’s worth what people are prepared to pay.”

Anderson recently claimed in an interview with BBC Radio Manchester that Wanderers “probably in the best financial position of any club in the Championship.”

His comments seemed incongruous with recent stories revealing winding-up petitions and the threat of administration from former creditor, BluMarble, which was solved only last month. Yet Anderson maintains money now owed by the club is more manageable than it had previous been.

“A lot of people have asked for the information and they are quite shocked when they realise what the real debt actually is,” he said.

“The £5m which replaced BluMarble is the bit I’d term real debt. Other loans against the hotel, or Brett Warburton’s loan against land are on assets.

“The hotel makes profit. It is a good investment when you look at the yield, and that’s down to the work put in there by staff, bringing in business like the International Football Programme, which has been incredible.

“We have made a small profit in this year’s accounts, people can now see this is a good club. And furthermore they can see going forward it can be better.”

Wanderers have recently taken over the cleaning contract for the stadium and hotel, and have hinted at bringing catering in-house after the contract with Heathcote & Co expires in January, which Anderson claims could make a saving of between £500,000 and £1m a year.

Anderson has also confirmed details of his recent business with late owner Eddie Davies.

The Isle of Man millionaire provided a bridging loan of £5m to Anderson, which was then in turn loaned on to Wanderers and secured against club assets.

Anderson insists he will not be making additional money from the deal.

“The loan from Ed to me, then to the club has been passed on at exactly the same rate, terms and interest,” he said. “I will not be making money.”

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BoltonTillIDie

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Nat Lofthouse
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The sooner we get some investment the better. Let's hope one of them actually goes ahead with the purchase.

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse

Wanderlust wrote:Looking back at Anderson's PR on Monday, I'm just wondering if he knew what was around the corner and is ready to implement his exit strategy?

If you analyse Anderson's message management above ("I saved the club and to criticise me is the same as criticising Parky") it is unusually defensive for the normally ebullient Anderson. 

Having made him and his son personally richer, pawned the last of the club's assets that were still in place two years ago and minimised his personal exposure at every turn, maybe it's getting to exit time? 
...and here we go right on cue!

Everything will depend on Anderson's valuation of his shares. He says he wants to get a payout of £30 million, so I'm wondering what the potential investors are thinking i.e. how much less than that will Anderson accept to go? 
He hasn't even put £10 million into the pot in fact the only investment he's put into BWFC is the £5 million he borrowed from ED as far as I can tell so it's a difficult one to swallow for investors. I've heard that Anderson's personal demands were what put off the US billionaire last month so it's going to be interesting.
I guess it will come down to what extent Anderson will hold out for personal gain over the club's well-being.

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington

wanderlust wrote:
Wanderlust wrote:Looking back at Anderson's PR on Monday, I'm just wondering if he knew what was around the corner and is ready to implement his exit strategy?

If you analyse Anderson's message management above ("I saved the club and to criticise me is the same as criticising Parky") it is unusually defensive for the normally ebullient Anderson. 

Having made him and his son personally richer, pawned the last of the club's assets that were still in place two years ago and minimised his personal exposure at every turn, maybe it's getting to exit time? 
...and here we go right on cue!

Everything will depend on Anderson's valuation of his shares. He says he wants to get a payout of £30 million, so I'm wondering what the potential investors are thinking i.e. how much less than that will Anderson accept to go? 
He hasn't even put £10 million into the pot in fact the only investment he's put into BWFC is the £5 million he borrowed from ED as far as I can tell so it's a difficult one to swallow for investors. I've heard that Anderson's personal demands were what put off the US billionaire last month so it's going to be interesting.
I guess it will come down to what extent Anderson will hold out for personal gain over the club's well-being.

Lusty- why is this a difficult one to swallow for investors? If that's his valuation, presumably backed by some detailed financial analysis, then that's what he sees as the value. Its up to potential investors to do their due diligence ,presumably based on a free cash flow basis . We're never going to see how any of the figures have been arrived at. I suspect that the other equity shareholders ( like the Warburtons) will have an interest in this as they will not want to remain as minority shareholders and also the trustees and executors of EDs estate have a vested interest in the valuation of the club's assets.
How anyone values Burnden Leisure at £30million is beyond me. As a going concern it's fairly worthless as the only real asset is the land that the stadium and car park are built on. I suspect that a sticking point in the negotiations is whether the buyer will accept any outstanding loans as part of the valuation.
We risk becoming a rich mans  toy here, a trophy club. But if it does bring in substantial investment then I can swallow my local pride and  live with that

wessy

wessy
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Lets see how it develops KA was always a stepping stone so at some point he needs to sell, lets hope it's someone with a real plan to improve the club, lots of horror stories in terms of takeovers so the coin is in the air so to speak.

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

rammywhite wrote:Lusty- why is this a difficult one to swallow for investors? If that's his valuation, presumably backed by some detailed financial analysis, then that's what he sees as the value. Its up to potential investors to do their due diligence ,presumably based on a free cash flow basis . We're never going to see how any of the figures have been arrived at. I suspect that the other equity shareholders ( like the Warburtons) will have an interest in this as they will not want to remain as minority shareholders and also the trustees and executors of EDs estate have a vested interest in the valuation of the club's assets.
My thinking is that the club's assets are hocked as collateral against loans including Warburtons et al so the value of Burnden Leisure is somewhere around zero. 
The minority shareholders have been systematically marginalised and therefore pretty much have to do what they're told. If they don't want to remain as minority shareholders they'll have to invest more.
The shares that Anderson bought from Deano to give him control were bought with what? And for how much? 
Put all this together and Anderson's valuation has to be predominantly based on "potential" and "goodwill" - both of which emanate from the club's location and long history rather than Anderson. Any "detailed financial analysis " would relate to forecasting rather than Balance Sheet IMO and we both know how airy-fairy that can be.

Ergo investors must know that Anderson is out to make a killing and that may stick in the craw a bit. We'll see how it pans out.

rammywhite

rammywhite
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Frank Worthington

wanderlust wrote:
rammywhite wrote:Lusty- why is this a difficult one to swallow for investors? If that's his valuation, presumably backed by some detailed financial analysis, then that's what he sees as the value. Its up to potential investors to do their due diligence ,presumably based on a free cash flow basis . We're never going to see how any of the figures have been arrived at. I suspect that the other equity shareholders ( like the Warburtons) will have an interest in this as they will not want to remain as minority shareholders and also the trustees and executors of EDs estate have a vested interest in the valuation of the club's assets.
My thinking is that the club's assets are hocked as collateral against loans including Warburtons et al so the value of Burnden Leisure is somewhere around zero. 
The minority shareholders have been systematically marginalised and therefore pretty much have to do what they're told. If they don't want to remain as minority shareholders they'll have to invest more.
The shares that Anderson bought from Deano to give him control were bought with what? And for how much? 
Put all this together and Anderson's valuation has to be predominantly based on "potential" and "goodwill" - both of which emanate from the club's location and long history rather than Anderson. Any "detailed financial analysis " would relate to forecasting rather than Balance Sheet IMO and we both know how airy-fairy that can be.

Ergo investors must know that Anderson is out to make a killing and that may stick in the craw a bit. We'll see how it pans out.

There's legal protection for the minority shareholders so they can only be  shafted  so far. Company law states that where a majority shareholder holds more than 90% of the voting equity then they can go to Court to  enfoece a buy out  of the rump, if the rump decide not to sell. That's what happened to my 400 shares in Burnden Leisure some time ago. I've still got the share certificate framed and still get a copy of the Accounts each year. That ploy is only used if the rump are a serious and costly nuisance ,which I can't see happening in this case.
I think you're right that there are both first and second charges on all the assets ( both fixed and floating) and so in the event of a wind up there would be nothing left for the equity shareholders- thus making KA's equity virtually worthless. So if the valuation is based on the future potential then any investor needs counselling, needs  a serious talking to about what he's buying here.
The tax losses are substantial and that's an attraction in any M&A activity, friendly or hostile, and that may be partially the asset that any investor is after- that plays a major part in current low level M&A activity in the UK.

I hope it happens and there may be a short term bounce, but the amount of money needed to really bed down ongoing success now is vast and so the future is still a bit bleak.
Anybody who pays £30 mill for a trophy club like ours with a long and proud history but with an uncertain future is either deluded or a real business angel.
I know which one I think he or she is.
Think of the Venkys at Ewood- that was a story I'd rather not see repeated with us

MartinBWFC

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American people have gone away. Attempt at an auction. 30m???

You have to seriously ask the question, does Anderson live in the real world?

terenceanne

terenceanne
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

My view has always been that if we get Saudi Billionaires or whatever I want people who 30 million is simple pocket change. Not a blip in their bank account. They will remove our debts with a stroke of a pen and we will become a nice hobby for them to take us back up to the Prem. Probably a dream but it can be done.
Fingers crossed.

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington

terenceanne wrote:My view has always been that if we get Saudi Billionaires or whatever I want people who 30 million is simple pocket change. Not a blip in their bank account. They will remove our debts with a stroke of a pen and we will become a nice hobby for them to take us back up to the Prem. Probably a dream but it can be done.
Fingers crossed.

 I want an Aston Martin, a house on Lake Garda, to bonk Kate Humble and to support a team that wins every game.
I have as much chance of that lot than any Saudi billionaires buying BWFC

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington

Kate Humble?

Weird.

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Cajunboy wrote:Kate Humble?

Weird.

I bet she’s right kinky in bed!

Cajunboy

Cajunboy
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington

Probably keeps her dirty Wellys on.

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington

Cajunboy wrote:Kate Humble?

Weird.

Have you seen those wrinkles she's developing round her eyes?
Its making me horny just thinking about them!!

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

rammywhite wrote:
Cajunboy wrote:Kate Humble?

Weird.

Have you seen those wrinkles she's developing round her eyes?
Its making me horny just thinking about them!!

Laughing

rammywhite

rammywhite
Frank Worthington
Frank Worthington

karlypants wrote:
Cajunboy wrote:Kate Humble?

Weird.

I bet she’s right kinky in bed!

Steady there KP! You're making my heart race faster!

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

rammywhite wrote:Have you seen those wrinkles she's developing round her eyes?
Its making me horny just thinking about them!!

This is the most disturbing post I've ever read on here. And I've read all Bonce's posts.

BoltonTillIDie

BoltonTillIDie
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

I haven't a clue who you're talking about!

BoltonTillIDie

BoltonTillIDie
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

:hijack:

Anyway, hope there's a swift takeover soon!

luckyPeterpiper

luckyPeterpiper
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

To get back to the original point of this thread I'd like to say that if this is true then it's obviously very good news. As to Ken's valuation of 30 million for his shares why not? That's pretty close to peanuts for a Championship club, especially one with a stadium and facilities like ours.

I've always maintained that if Ken makes a profit from BWFC then good for him, it means someone with money who's actually seen the books believes the club's worth taking on. Whether we like it or not a football club is a business and exists to make a profit for its owners or shareholders. Personally I think if there are two seriously interested people who haven't blanched at Ken's number and have proved they have the money to pay it then he should get as much as he can for himself.

Frankly in his shoes I'd be delighted to get out of here given the amount of abuse he's taken from the uninformed, chattering peanut gallery's such as the ST and Iles.

And lusty, just so you know I do NOT count you as in that particular class. While I disagree with many of your comments re: Ken I have and still do share some of your concerns. For instance I hope this is real and not just 'smoke and mirrors' but until we know more FACTS about the bidders and what they plan to do I'm going to withhold judgement rather than race out onto the streets to celebrate.

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