Brexit negotiations

gloswhite wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:2 years on and the leavers still haven’t got an answer to the Ireland question, I was anti second referendum at first but it cannot he denied that this is an absolute shambles and too many were unaware of the full consequences of voting leave. Time for change.

Actually, I don't think anyone, leavers or remainers, have the answer that will satisfy all parties.

There wouldn't be a problem if we hadn't had the referendum.

At no point in the campaign did the brexiteers spell out what brexit actually meant.

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:2 years on and the leavers still haven’t got an answer to the Ireland question, I was anti second referendum at first but it cannot he denied that this is an absolute shambles and too many were unaware of the full consequences of voting leave. Time for change.

Actually, I don't think anyone, leavers or remainers, have the answer that will satisfy all parties.

There wouldn't be a problem if we hadn't had the referendum.

At no point in the campaign did the brexiteers spell out what brexit actually meant.

You're getting to be a bitter old man XM. 
Just think, without Brexit, your life would have rolled on with nothing to get excited about, and no reason to rant and rave. 
Think of it as a good thing. 

gloswhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:2 years on and the leavers still haven’t got an answer to the Ireland question, I was anti second referendum at first but it cannot he denied that this is an absolute shambles and too many were unaware of the full consequences of voting leave. Time for change.

Actually, I don't think anyone, leavers or remainers, have the answer that will satisfy all parties.

There wouldn't be a problem if we hadn't had the referendum.

At no point in the campaign did the brexiteers spell out what brexit actually meant.

You're getting to be a bitter old man XM. 
Just think, without Brexit, your life would have rolled on with nothing to get excited about, and no reason to rant and rave. 
Think of it as a good thing. 

I think supporting Bolton has made me bitter not brexit. Far more lows than highs since 1958!

Question: Why do we need to change anything if we leave the EU as regards the NI border?

We have an open border now and successfully manage the terrorist threat and immigration with the current arrangements so what is the new problem everyone is worried about?

Because if we leave the EU on the terms being proposed - dropping out of the customs union and single market, the border would have to be more closed.

T.R.O.Y wrote:Because if we leave the EU on the terms being proposed - dropping out of the customs union and single market, the border would have to be more closed.

Why though? Import tax can be charged at customer level - using the systems that are already in place.

How do you apply import tax at an open border?

T.R.O.Y wrote:How do you apply import tax at an open border?

You don't - it can be applied at the point of sale to the customer like VAT and collected in the same way.

On another note, the Tories have today turned on ex PM John Major:

On the eve of Wednesday's summit, former Conservative prime minister Sir John Major attacked Brexiteers, saying "those who promised what will never be delivered will have much to answer for."
"They persuaded a deceived population to vote to be weaker and poorer. That will never be forgotten - nor forgiven."
Sir John is among a host of former senior politicians, including Tony Blair, and ex-deputy prime ministers Lord Heseltine and Nick Clegg, stepping up calls for another referendum.

Sir John (Major) is among a host of former senior politicians, including Tony Blair, and ex-deputy prime ministers Lord Heseltine and Nick Clegg, stepping up calls for another referendum.


Not what I would call an illustrious line-up. Weak, greedy, self-centered, and out and out liars. They're all out in the cold for a reason.

Michael Heseltine is the only Tory i have ever had any time for, a decent principled man.

gloswhite wrote:Sir John (Major) is among a host of former senior politicians, including Tony Blair, and ex-deputy prime ministers Lord Heseltine and Nick Clegg, stepping up calls for another referendum.


Not what I would call an illustrious line-up. Weak, greedy, self-centered, and out and out liars. They're all out in the cold for a reason.

Name one prominent brexiteer who is not a "Weak, greedy, self-centered, and out and out liar".

Rees-Mogg ?

gloswhite wrote:Rees-Mogg ?

Could he be any more self centred? He also endorsed the lie about £350m being spent on the NHS and pretends that a no deal brexit will be good for Britain. It will OK for him as the investment fund he has an interest in has already made plans to relocate to Ireland.

I will leave it to you to decide if he is weak but he did take his nanny with him to campaign a couple of elections ago.

Rees Mogg is the worst kind of Tory, uses off shore tax havens and invests and profits from companies that supply drugs used for abortions when he says he is anti-abortion even for rape victims.

Norpig wrote:Rees Mogg is the worst kind of Tory, uses off shore tax havens and invests and profits from companies that supply drugs used for abortions when he says he is anti-abortion even for rape victims.

Sounds like a typical Tory - nothing matters if there is money to be made.

wanderlust wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:How do you apply import tax at an open border?

You don't - it can be applied at the point of sale to the customer like VAT and collected in the same way.

On another note, the Tories have today turned on ex PM John Major:

On the eve of Wednesday's summit, former Conservative prime minister Sir John Major attacked Brexiteers, saying "those who promised what will never be delivered will have much to answer for."
"They persuaded a deceived population to vote to be weaker and poorer. That will never be forgotten - nor forgiven."
Sir John is among a host of former senior politicians, including Tony Blair, and ex-deputy prime ministers Lord Heseltine and Nick Clegg, stepping up calls for another referendum.

But how would a tax resolve customs checks?

gloswhite wrote:Rees-Mogg ?

Rees Mogg peddles the lie that Brexit would decrease food prices, even the sun apologised for printing that one. Nothing from him as of yet.

T.R.O.Y wrote:

gloswhite wrote:Rees-Mogg ?

Rees Mogg peddles the lie that Brexit would decrease food prices, even the sun apologised for printing that one. Nothing from him as of yet.

Rees Mogg is an idiot who has lived a very sheltered and privileged life, has a net worth of over £100 million and has no understanding of what is happening in the real world so he pontificates about policy and politics as if everyone was in his privileged position. Arsehole.

Is he a relative?

I can see that you won't give anyone I suggest the benefit of the doubt, so maybe you could suggest an honest and upright politician who the country can rely on to take us forward ? 
It should be a lot easier for you, as most of the opposition have quite handily hidden behind the 6 tests, so saving themselves from having to actually say something constructive, factual, or even knowledgeable. A perfect example being Emily Thornbury. (As much use as tits on a bull).