Brexit negotiations

4. Sluffy

Natasha Whittam wrote:4. Sluffy

wanderlust wrote:Now you know what he thinks? Well I bow to your superior knowledge.

Do you know what I'm thinking right now?

I don't know what you're talking about.

Repeat after me..the EU is rules based organisation.

(Except when it ignores the rules)

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:Simply not true, reports only the other week of Labour MPs from leave constituencies threatening to resign if labour backed a people’s vote.

As I’ve said before you don’t get into power by ignoring half the population.

Back bench MPs are irrelevant. So are front bench ones under Corbyn too he's been through about 400.

Anyway the "beasts" of his party are united against him. Only a matter of time before he's pushed.

All parties are infested with those who simply hate the electorate. These are the MPs that invariably win out. The people need to stop voting them in.

Don’t even know what you’re talking about anymore to be honest.

Farage, Hannan, Paterson and other Leave campaigners promise the British people that Brexit DOESN'T mean leaving the Single Market...



So is that not "the will of the people"?

T.R.O.Y wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:Simply not true, reports only the other week of Labour MPs from leave constituencies threatening to resign if labour backed a people’s vote.

As I’ve said before you don’t get into power by ignoring half the population.

Back bench MPs are irrelevant. So are front bench ones under Corbyn too he's been through about 400.

Anyway the "beasts" of his party are united against him. Only a matter of time before he's pushed.

All parties are infested with those who simply hate the electorate. These are the MPs that invariably win out. The people need to stop voting them in.

Don’t even know what you’re talking about anymore to be honest.

It's pretty obvious. You said the threats of back bench MPs to resign would effect corbyns mentality.

I said the opinion of front and beck benchers under Corbyn has historically been irrelevant.

wanderlust wrote:Farage, Hannan, Paterson and other Leave campaigners promise the British people that Brexit DOESN'T mean leaving the Single Market...



So is that not "the will of the people"?

Completely spun video with clips out of context.

But as I said above. If the minutia of people's thoughts as they go into the ballot box were taken into account there would be millions and millions of variations.

At some point you either have to accept a result or don't. I really don't care either way.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

wanderlust wrote:Farage, Hannan, Paterson and other Leave campaigners promise the British people that Brexit DOESN'T mean leaving the Single Market...



So is that not "the will of the people"?

But as I said above. If the minutia of people's thoughts as they go into the ballot box were taken into account there would be millions and millions of variations.

Yeah. About 17.4 million variations.

There were also variation of thought among those voting remain shock horror.

I'm sure we'd be having the same argument if that side had won (ha ha ha ha ha ha ha) 

You still haven't said what the solution to this issue is? Cancel elections or just ignore results?

Hipster_Nebula wrote:There were also variation of thought among those voting remain shock horror.

I'm sure we'd be having the same argument if that side had won (ha ha ha ha ha ha ha) 

You still haven't said what the solution to this issue is? Cancel elections or just ignore results?

1. Everybody lost
2. I would cancel referendums where the question being asked is stupid e.g. "would you a) like to go to the zoo or b) would you prefer not to go to the zoo and  either be given a bar of chocolate or have your balls stamped on every day for the rest of your life?"

Hipster_Nebula wrote:There were also variation of thought among those voting remain shock horror.

I'm sure we'd be having the same argument if that side had won (ha ha ha ha ha ha ha) 

Deliberately missing the point.

100% of people who voted remain knew that remain meant staying in the EU. Nobody knows what kind of brexit people wanted when they voted leave.

xmiles wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:There were also variation of thought among those voting remain shock horror.

I'm sure we'd be having the same argument if that side had won (ha ha ha ha ha ha ha) 

Deliberately missing the point.

100% of people who voted remain knew that remain meant staying in the EU. Nobody knows what kind of brexit people wanted when they voted leave.

Well said xmiles. People conveniently forget that Remain meant fuck all changes. Any form of Leave (as now shown) means differing levels of chaos and different levels of the Country being worse off -which will no doubt be compensated by us plebs paying more tax - for at least the next twenty years or more and that is according to Brexit ERG people themselves.

xmiles wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:There were also variation of thought among those voting remain shock horror.

I'm sure we'd be having the same argument if that side had won (ha ha ha ha ha ha ha) 

Deliberately missing the point.

100% of people who voted remain knew that remain meant staying in the EU. Nobody knows what kind of brexit people wanted when they voted leave.

More to the point, half them voted to leave the EU but stay in the Customs Union and the Single Market and the other half voted to Leave the EU and leave the Single Market and Customs Union. 
Because they were promised both scenarios even if they are mutually exclusive which is why it's a mess and will never get an approval from the majority.

And some more evidence of what a no deal brexit will mean:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47225787

xmiles wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:There were also variation of thought among those voting remain shock horror.

I'm sure we'd be having the same argument if that side had won (ha ha ha ha ha ha ha) 

Deliberately missing the point.

100% of people who voted remain knew that remain meant staying in the EU. Nobody knows what kind of brexit people wanted when they voted leave.

Not true. One of the phrases I heard many times in the referendum was "remain and reform" what kind of reform was being spoken about?

Complete guesswork with your figures yet again.

wanderlust wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:There were also variation of thought among those voting remain shock horror.

I'm sure we'd be having the same argument if that side had won (ha ha ha ha ha ha ha) 

You still haven't said what the solution to this issue is? Cancel elections or just ignore results?

1. Everybody lost
2. I would cancel referendums where the question being asked is stupid e.g. "would you a) like to go to the zoo or b) would you prefer not to go to the zoo and  either be given a bar of chocolate or have your balls stamped on every day for the rest of your life?"

Still not answering the question.

Deliberately so.

xmiles wrote:And some more evidence of what a no deal brexit will mean:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47225787

There can't be evidence until after the fact. This is again a prediction.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

wanderlust wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:There were also variation of thought among those voting remain shock horror.

I'm sure we'd be having the same argument if that side had won (ha ha ha ha ha ha ha) 

You still haven't said what the solution to this issue is? Cancel elections or just ignore results?

1. Everybody lost
2. I would cancel referendums where the question being asked is stupid e.g. "would you a) like to go to the zoo or b) would you prefer not to go to the zoo and  either be given a bar of chocolate or have your balls stamped on every day for the rest of your life?"

Still not answering the question.

Deliberately so.

Isn't 2) the answer? Or do you want to know what I would propose as a solution to the current mess?
If so, it's that the grace period is extended whilst the Police investigate charges of treason and potentially terrorism against the perpetrators of the lies told to the British people that have resulted the biggest threat to national security since WW2, a Parliamentary Inquiry into May and her cronies for abuse of the position for hijacking the Leave vote to pursue a foreign inspired political agenda by railroading through the lie that a vote to leave the EU was a vote to leave the Single market and Customs Union with specific interest in the collusion between the major parties, a Foreign Office enquiry into the connection between the Leave campaign, American stock traders and the Russians, and an IPSO enquiry into Murdoch and the Barclays.
Once all the plotters have been hung/imprisoned/sanctioned and fined, the referendum should be nullified on the grounds of corruption and we should go back to the EU with a proposal to renegotiate terms of continued membership of the Single Market and Customs Union - but not necessarily the EU - which would alleviate all the issues that have become the stumbling blocks to progress.
But that's just my view. Any better ideas?