General Election

You’d rather ramble about paranoid remainers than focus on the real issue. Just as bad.

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

Their mps have spent all day spreading fake news about foreign interference.

If only there were some sort of review into Russian interference with our democratic processes we could clear this all up. So who is suppressing this report?

According to the cyber experts opinions on the TV, the DDOS indicated both Russia and Brazil, but could quite as easily come from someones bedroom in the UK. DDOS software can be bought on line it seems.
Needless to say, and I've used the term before, paranoia is striking almost everywhere, but especially with the Remain parties and its followers.

It is not paranoia to ask why a report into Russian subversion of our electoral process has been suppressed by Boris.

how do you know there has been Russian subversion? tell me what evidence you have. (Sorry, I sound like TROY now   )
Surmising doesn't make anything true.

T.R.O.Y wrote:You’d rather ramble about paranoid remainers than focus on the real issue. Just as bad.

Don't be a ring-piece all the time. 
Right now there is such turmoil that unthinking and dogmatic people like yourself and XM are unable to give yourselves room to widen your vision and view just a little, and remain focused on the most ridiculous of things. Even when Brexit has happened and we're on to the next phase you'll still be whinging away.

What does that post even mean? My view is that we should leave with a deal, that makes me narrow minded?

gloswhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

Their mps have spent all day spreading fake news about foreign interference.

If only there were some sort of review into Russian interference with our democratic processes we could clear this all up. So who is suppressing this report?

According to the cyber experts opinions on the TV, the DDOS indicated both Russia and Brazil, but could quite as easily come from someones bedroom in the UK. DDOS software can be bought on line it seems.
Needless to say, and I've used the term before, paranoia is striking almost everywhere, but especially with the Remain parties and its followers.

It is not paranoia to ask why a report into Russian subversion of our electoral process has been suppressed by Boris.

how do you know there has been Russian subversion? tell me what evidence you have. (Sorry, I sound like TROY now   )
Surmising doesn't make anything true.

It is a fact that there has been an investigation into Russian subversion of our electoral system. It is a fact that the report is being suppressed by Boris despite there being no grounds for it not to be released. These are simple facts.

Why do you think it is being suppressed?

gloswhite wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:You’d rather ramble about paranoid remainers than focus on the real issue. Just as bad.

Don't be a ring-piece all the time. 
Right now there is such turmoil that unthinking and dogmatic people like yourself and XM are unable to give yourselves room to widen your vision and view just a little, and remain focused on the most ridiculous of things. Even when Brexit has happened and we're on to the next phase you'll still be whinging away.

If you are so open minded why don't you stop being so dogmatic and accept that most people don't want to leave the EU and certainly not on the terms negotiated by Boris? Try taking your rose tinted blinkers off at look at the reality not the fantasy of what leaving the EU will mean for the UK.

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:You’d rather ramble about paranoid remainers than focus on the real issue. Just as bad.

Don't be a ring-piece all the time. 
Right now there is such turmoil that unthinking and dogmatic people like yourself and XM are unable to give yourselves room to widen your vision and view just a little, and remain focused on the most ridiculous of things. Even when Brexit has happened and we're on to the next phase you'll still be whinging away.

If you are so open minded why don't you stop being so dogmatic and accept that most people don't want to leave the EU and certainly not on the terms negotiated by Boris? Try taking your rose tinted blinkers off at look at the reality not the fantasy of what leaving the EU will mean for the UK.

It works boith ways. you just can't see that though can you!

Why don't you fuck off to the EU if you don't like it here and so love the EU so much you stupid dick!

gloswhite wrote:how do you know there has been Russian subversion? tell me what evidence you have. (Sorry, I sound like TROY now   )
Surmising doesn't make anything true.

Fact is we don't know 100% however the Intelligence report was leaked to the Sunday Times and there have been several private sector investigations and investigative journalism TV programmes all of which provide considerable evidence that there has been interference both in the 2016 Brexit referendum and the last general election and other reports that claim to have evidence that the right wing political establishment has been infiltrated by agents acting for Russia including key Tory sponsors. Furthermore the Electoral commission pointed out that our electoral system is not able to withstand interference from malign foreign forces and is not fit for purpose.

So the real question is that if Borat/Cummings truly believe that this is a load of bollocks why don't they just publish the report and provide the other evidence to nip it in the bud? 

Surely that's the obvious course of action that someone with nothing to hide would take?

The excuses given are as thin as those against electoral reform which would mean that every person's vote counts as much as the next person's vote but sadly we are tied into a system wherein we are not equal in that respect.

karlypants wrote:

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:You’d rather ramble about paranoid remainers than focus on the real issue. Just as bad.

Don't be a ring-piece all the time. 
Right now there is such turmoil that unthinking and dogmatic people like yourself and XM are unable to give yourselves room to widen your vision and view just a little, and remain focused on the most ridiculous of things. Even when Brexit has happened and we're on to the next phase you'll still be whinging away.

If you are so open minded why don't you stop being so dogmatic and accept that most people don't want to leave the EU and certainly not on the terms negotiated by Boris? Try taking your rose tinted blinkers off at look at the reality not the fantasy of what leaving the EU will mean for the UK.

It works boith ways. you just can't see that though can you!

Why don't you fuck off to the EU if you don't like it here and so love the EU so much you stupid dick!

As usual the standard response from people like you karly. Just mindless abuse. You have never explained why you voted brexit, probably because you can't find any rational reason. You certainly come across as a moron posting comments like this.

wanderlust wrote:

gloswhite wrote:how do you know there has been Russian subversion? tell me what evidence you have. (Sorry, I sound like TROY now   )
Surmising doesn't make anything true.

Fact is we don't know 100% however the Intelligence report was leaked to the Sunday Times and there have been several private sector investigations and investigative journalism TV programmes all of which provide considerable evidence that there has been interference both in the 2016 Brexit referendum and the last general election and other reports that claim to have evidence that the right wing political establishment has been infiltrated by agents acting for Russia including key Tory sponsors. Furthermore the Electoral commission pointed out that our electoral system is not able to withstand interference from malign foreign forces and is not fit for purpose.

So the real question is that if Borat/Cummings truly believe that this is a load of bollocks why don't they just publish the report and provide the other evidence to nip it in the bud? 

Surely that's the obvious course of action that someone with nothing to hide would take?

The excuses given are as thin as those against electoral reform which would mean that every person's vote counts as much as the next person's vote but sadly we are tied into a system wherein we are not equal in that respect.

It will be interesting to see if glos responds. He normally doesn't when facts undermine his contentions.

This is what happens when the Tories look after the NHS:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50397856

xmiles wrote:

wanderlust wrote:

gloswhite wrote:how do you know there has been Russian subversion? tell me what evidence you have. (Sorry, I sound like TROY now   )
Surmising doesn't make anything true.

Fact is we don't know 100% however the Intelligence report was leaked to the Sunday Times and there have been several private sector investigations and investigative journalism TV programmes all of which provide considerable evidence that there has been interference both in the 2016 Brexit referendum and the last general election and other reports that claim to have evidence that the right wing political establishment has been infiltrated by agents acting for Russia including key Tory sponsors. Furthermore the Electoral commission pointed out that our electoral system is not able to withstand interference from malign foreign forces and is not fit for purpose.

So the real question is that if Borat/Cummings truly believe that this is a load of bollocks why don't they just publish the report and provide the other evidence to nip it in the bud? 

Surely that's the obvious course of action that someone with nothing to hide would take?

The excuses given are as thin as those against electoral reform which would mean that every person's vote counts as much as the next person's vote but sadly we are tied into a system wherein we are not equal in that respect.

It will be interesting to see if glos responds. He normally doesn't when facts undermine his contentions.

Will you stop being antagonistic towards him? I'm just trying to be rational about it and would be interested if Glos had a rational response.

Desparate stuff:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50426535

xmiles wrote:Desparate stuff:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50426535

The worst thing about this is that I thought we'd finally seen the back of her but she just won't crawl away...

wanderlust wrote:

xmiles wrote:

wanderlust wrote:

gloswhite wrote:how do you know there has been Russian subversion? tell me what evidence you have. (Sorry, I sound like TROY now   )
Surmising doesn't make anything true.

Fact is we don't know 100% however the Intelligence report was leaked to the Sunday Times and there have been several private sector investigations and investigative journalism TV programmes all of which provide considerable evidence that there has been interference both in the 2016 Brexit referendum and the last general election and other reports that claim to have evidence that the right wing political establishment has been infiltrated by agents acting for Russia including key Tory sponsors. Furthermore the Electoral commission pointed out that our electoral system is not able to withstand interference from malign foreign forces and is not fit for purpose.

So the real question is that if Borat/Cummings truly believe that this is a load of bollocks why don't they just publish the report and provide the other evidence to nip it in the bud? 

Surely that's the obvious course of action that someone with nothing to hide would take?

The excuses given are as thin as those against electoral reform which would mean that every person's vote counts as much as the next person's vote but sadly we are tied into a system wherein we are not equal in that respect.

It will be interesting to see if glos responds. He normally doesn't when facts undermine his contentions.

Will you stop being antagonistic towards him? I'm just trying to be rational about it and would be interested if Glos had a rational response.

Unfortunately Wander, XM, and TROY are now so embedded in their dislike and distrust of anything Brexit, Tory, or Boris, that there is no hope of a balanced response to anything they do not agree with. They also seem to think that anything they say, usually backed up by others of the same ilk, is 100% correct. I gave up trying to talk sensibly to them a year or more ago as I was so tired of the abuse, not necessarily to me, but to leavers in general. 
It seems strange to me that for people that are so convinced the country is going to fall to pieces if we leave the EU, that so many will vote for the Tory party, knowing that Brexit will shortly follow. According to the political polls, still the majority of the country take this view. I believe, and I've said this before, that the Leavers haven't reacted to the Remainers barrage of abuse to the government, and leavers, as, once we had won, we expected MP's and Parliament to carry out the wishes of the people. Why should we protest and argue when we were getting what we had voted for?
People on here who continually harp on about what is rapidly become old or insignificant news are, to me, no longer worth listening to. When I'm bored I will come on here for the odd comment, throw a pebble into the pond as it were, and watch the most predictable responses come back. 
I'm beginning to worry about those two, as I think they have become so entrenched in their thinking that they will suffer greatly when they don't get all the things they have been expecting or asking for. If it doesn't go my way, I won't be happy, but I won't rant and rave or abuse anyone, Ill just get on with life.
As stated previously, the main reason I want to leave the EU is to be able to govern ourselves, making our own decisions rather than becoming an even more insignificant cog, in a vast, mainly rudderless machine. I'm not a rabid racist who lives up North, nor am I financially incompetent, and am aware of the penalties we will pay in the shorter term. I believe the shake up, in all areas, is what this country now needs, (politically, financially, legally, and socially), and hopefully we'll come out the other side with a much better future than we have now.
If nothing else, Brexit has shown what a mess this country is in, and it hasn't happened just because of the Brexit referendum.

Yay free broadband for all !!! What a fucking useless cunt corbyn and the rest of them are they face a wipeout at the election which they won't recover from, it is the end of the labour party and not a moment too soon.

Yes Glos you're famously balanced in relation remain, Corbyn and Labour aren't you?

As I've told you umpteen times, I support leaving the EU but with a deal that doesn't break our economy. 

Clearly you don't bother reading other posts, you just pigeon hole them all into the same polarised category - if it's not exactly what you think it must be remainer nonsense.

Take a breath and accept other people have valuable input and shouldn't be dismissed.