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Momentum are one of the Labour party’s biggest assets why would you want to destroy them?

T.R.O.Y wrote:Momentum are one of the Labour party’s biggest assets why would you want to destroy them?

For the same reasons Militant got banned from the party. Whilst they make a useful contribution to policy and thinking, their dominance of the party makes them an easy target for the Tory media, especially in an age where slander and unsubstantiable fear-mongering are commonplace, out of control and carry no sanctions.
In this day and age, anything can be tarnished - which is easy to do - and for Labour to come back they'll need Jesus, Mother Teresa and Gandhi rolled into one for the leader with a following drawn from the Samaritans, Marie Curie nurses and cuddly kittens.

T.R.O.Y wrote:Momentum are one of the Labour party’s biggest assets why would you want to destroy them?

Do you think they were one of the Labour party's biggest assets during the recent General Election?

Cajunboy wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:Momentum are one of the Labour party’s biggest assets why would you want to destroy them?

Do you think they were one of the Labour party's biggest assets during the recent General Election?

In terms of on the ground campaigning yes, they’ve mobilised large portions of the membership. What is it you think they do?

I see the Express has already begun trying to discredit the candidate they obviously fear is the main Labour threat to Boris and the Tories.....a fear of Sir Keir. (Catchy, huh?)

 Shameless distortion of the man's background, record and beliefs.

T.R.O.Y wrote:

Cajunboy wrote:

T.R.O.Y wrote:Momentum are one of the Labour party’s biggest assets why would you want to destroy them?

Do you think they were one of the Labour party's biggest assets during the recent General Election?

In terms of on the ground campaigning yes, they’ve mobilised large portions of the membership. What is it you think they do?

I think they keep the Labour party out of being in government.

It's the voters who aren't in the membership that win or lose elections!

How do they do that though? They have no sway over policy, it’s a set of activists.

T.R.O.Y wrote:How do they do that though? They have no sway over policy, it’s a set of activists.

The wrong policies chosen by the activists don't win elections, which is why Boris could be in power for a very long time.

Ye tricky one, members of any political party are bound to be more passionate and engaged than your average Joe - but it’s the average Joe who parties need to convince.

The members have a say in the policies which is a good thing. I liked them, according to polls most did. But the message wasn’t clear and the conversation was mainly about Brexit.

On the other hand Boris didn’t really have any policies.

We’ll see what happens I suppose, Boris has managed to blag a lot of people. They might see through it soon.

It's going to be very interesting.

Cajunboy wrote:It's going to be very interesting.

More like frightening. Even when people who voted for Boris realise he has let them down he will still be there for 5 years.

xmiles wrote:More like frightening. Even when people who voted for Boris realise he has let them down he will still be there for 5 years.

I'm happy with Boris so far.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

xmiles wrote:More like frightening. Even when people who voted for Boris realise he has let them down he will still be there for 5 years.

I'm happy with Boris so far.

Give it time.

Trump once said he could shoot someone in Times Square and still retain his supporters adoration. Suspect Boris is the same.

I found all this really interesting. Labour/ Remain supporters are having to face up to the fact that things they believed in, be it policies or personnel, have been shot down in flames, by 'traditional' Labour supporters as much as anyone else, (and no, I don't want to be inundated with meaningless statistics). Instead of facing up to it, and discussing the best way forward, you argue amongst yourselves as to what was, and not what could be. 
As a Brexiteer, I agree with XM, Corbyn was a disaster, and it was blatantly obvious that he wanted out of Europe, and in no meaningful way did he show support for remaining. He was our best weapon in the whole 3 years. Even more effective than Bercow was for the Remainers. 
As for policies, there were one or two that would have benefited the country, but when rolled in with so many others, sometimes unfunded, the public knew that Labour were crumbling when they promised anything to anyone, which was completely unsupportable. I hope the far left stay in power behind the Labour Party, as they've made such a mess of the party that voters will realise that sensible politicians are being driven by a bunch of myopic lunatics, ably supported by the unions. Eventually the party will realise they have to change, or die.
TROY, from what I've read here, if Labour were to follow your advice, you would never get in again.

What’s my advice?

T.R.O.Y wrote:What’s my advice?

Can I suggest you re-read your postings, and you will see that your thoughts  would amount to advice to keep the current format as much as possible. That's how I read it, and to my mind, it would be unproductive in the extreme.

I hope they keep the main policies - nationalise rail and energy and properly fund public services. That’s what I voted for. Am I not entitled to want that?

Personality and credibility is what most folk currently vote for - or in Boris's case just personality. As for "policies" they only vote for leaving the EU as a policy, not what the Government will do to avert the crisis that is set to emerge over the next few years - assuming we do actually leave without any favourable trade deals in the near future which looks very much on the cards.