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182 Re: Next Labour leader on Fri Jan 17 2020, 10:43
Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
As i'm a member of the Unison Labour link political fund i can register as an affiliate member and get a vote in the leadership election now.
I think they need to pick a safe pair of hands now after Jezza so i'll probably be voting for Starmer but need to have a read up on all the candidates. Not sure momentum having all the power to pick the next leader is a good idea as if its RLB then she'll be seen as Corbyn mark 2.
I think they need to pick a safe pair of hands now after Jezza so i'll probably be voting for Starmer but need to have a read up on all the candidates. Not sure momentum having all the power to pick the next leader is a good idea as if its RLB then she'll be seen as Corbyn mark 2.
183 Re: Next Labour leader on Fri Jan 17 2020, 13:34
gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
My thoughts exactly. She strikes me as an educated Chav.@Hipster_Nebula wrote:Phillips is a total gobshite.
If she gets in the labour movement will again be reduced to a boring class war protest movement.
185 Re: Next Labour leader on Tue Jan 21 2020, 17:03
xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
@Norpig wrote:Phillips has dropped out of the race now.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51195059
A pity but inevitable. Thornberry has no chance. It will be interesting to see how far Nandy gets but I still think it is between Starmer and mini-Corbyn.
186 Re: Next Labour leader on Tue Jan 21 2020, 17:11
gloswhite
Guðni Bergsson
I think your right, and its a very poor choice for the voters.
187 Re: Next Labour leader on Wed Jan 22 2020, 01:49
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Come off it. As long as it's not the Corbynite, both Starmer and Nandy are far more attractive propositions than Borat. Ok he's funny and good to laugh at but Prime Minister? That joke is going to wear very thin, very soon.@gloswhite wrote:I think your right, and its a very poor choice for the voters.
188 Re: Next Labour leader on Wed Jan 22 2020, 07:38
Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Starmer has already won.
There was a focus group on channel4 news last night of disaffected labour voters which was interesting.
Most seemed to say Nandy would win them back but starmer was too "corporate" though I think a few did say he'd win them back. Think RLB was the worst performer with them.
They also said Boris was likeable and relatable. Opinions the liberal bubble will continue to ignore.
Strangely most of them didn't seem familiar with any of the candidates outside of their face.
There was a focus group on channel4 news last night of disaffected labour voters which was interesting.
Most seemed to say Nandy would win them back but starmer was too "corporate" though I think a few did say he'd win them back. Think RLB was the worst performer with them.
They also said Boris was likeable and relatable. Opinions the liberal bubble will continue to ignore.
Strangely most of them didn't seem familiar with any of the candidates outside of their face.
189 Re: Next Labour leader on Wed Jan 22 2020, 07:40
Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
@wanderlust wrote:Come off it. As long as it's not the Corbynite, both Starmer and Nandy are far more attractive propositions than Borat. Ok he's funny and good to laugh at but Prime Minister? That joke is going to wear very thin, very soon.@gloswhite wrote:I think your right, and its a very poor choice for the voters.
Yeah, the public don't agree with you.
Boris is popular. Labour will only win back power when they stop trotting (get it) out lies about him being racist and sexist and actually get serious.
190 Re: Next Labour leader on Wed Jan 22 2020, 08:59
Guest
Guest
Never called black people piccaninnies with watermelon smiles then?
191 Re: Next Labour leader on Wed Jan 22 2020, 10:03
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:@wanderlust wrote:Come off it. As long as it's not the Corbynite, both Starmer and Nandy are far more attractive propositions than Borat. Ok he's funny and good to laugh at but Prime Minister? That joke is going to wear very thin, very soon.@gloswhite wrote:I think your right, and its a very poor choice for the voters.
Yeah, the public don't agree with you - FOR NOW
Boris is popular. SO IS MICKEY MOUSE.
192 Re: Next Labour leader on Wed Jan 22 2020, 10:14
okocha
Andy Walker
A very amusing (and accurate) article......well worth a few minutes of your time .
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/20/useful-fall-guy-a-preview-of-boris-johnsons-minister-ratings
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/20/useful-fall-guy-a-preview-of-boris-johnsons-minister-ratings
193 Re: Next Labour leader on Wed Jan 22 2020, 11:04
Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
T.R.O.Y wrote:Never called black people piccaninnies with watermelon smiles then?
In a satirical article poking fun at the royal families perception of what they may he thinking landing in Africa he did use them terms yes.
194 Re: Next Labour leader on Wed Jan 22 2020, 12:18
Guest
Guest
Ah okay, so racist jokes aren’t racist? And to claim they are is a lie.
You’re deluding yourself.
You’re deluding yourself.
195 Re: Next Labour leader on Wed Jan 22 2020, 13:37
Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
So race is not an issue one can joke about or make satirical observations about?
Christ you better tell the millions of comedians working today.
Bit different from the very real racism rife in the labour party under comrade corbinov.
Christ you better tell the millions of comedians working today.
Bit different from the very real racism rife in the labour party under comrade corbinov.
196 Re: Next Labour leader on Wed Jan 22 2020, 13:42
Guest
Guest
You’ll need to explain to me why using a racial slur like ‘piccaninnies’ is funny?
Also used by Enoch Powell of course, another well known satirist.
Also used by Enoch Powell of course, another well known satirist.
197 Re: Next Labour leader on Wed Jan 22 2020, 13:58
Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Well satirical comedy is subjective.
Was Enoch Powell intending to be funny when he used the term?
I don't find it funny when Chris rock calls white people crackers but millions do.
Lots of comedians use the term faggot and mock disability and learning difficulties, also religion. Have you watched much comedy?
Was Enoch Powell intending to be funny when he used the term?
I don't find it funny when Chris rock calls white people crackers but millions do.
Lots of comedians use the term faggot and mock disability and learning difficulties, also religion. Have you watched much comedy?
198 Re: Next Labour leader on Wed Jan 22 2020, 16:40
Guest
Guest
I’ve never heard any white comedians reference black people as piccaninnies so I still don’t see what your point is or why that would be funny to anyone - other than other racists I suppose?
If David Lammy was to come out and refer to white people as crackers, you and the rest of the right would be up in arms (rightly so). So again, you’re not really proving anything here.
If David Lammy was to come out and refer to white people as crackers, you and the rest of the right would be up in arms (rightly so). So again, you’re not really proving anything here.
199 Re: Next Labour leader on Wed Jan 22 2020, 16:48
Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
It depends whether he was writing a satirical article. You obviously cannot seperate Boris the journo with Boris the politician.
200 Re: Next Labour leader on Wed Jan 22 2020, 16:51
sunlight
Andy Walker
T.R.O.Y wrote:
Also used by Enoch Powell of course, another well known satirist.
201 Re: Next Labour leader on Wed Jan 22 2020, 16:58
Guest
Guest
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:It depends whether he was writing a satirical article. You obviously cannot seperate Boris the journo with Boris the politician.
It’s not an acceptable comment from a journo, comedian or prime minister - so I don’t need to separate anything.
It’s really simple.
And still no explanation of what’s funny about the word piccaninnies?
202 Re: Next Labour leader on Wed Jan 22 2020, 18:49
Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
It was a satirical article imagining what the royal family might be thinking rocking up on the shores of Africa.
It's quite simple really.
Christ if you think it's unacceptable for a comedian to say that I'd steer clear of Frankie Boyle.
It's quite simple really.
Christ if you think it's unacceptable for a comedian to say that I'd steer clear of Frankie Boyle.
203 Re: Next Labour leader on Wed Jan 22 2020, 19:08
Guest
Guest
Never heard Frankie Boyle say a racial slur. Very funny guy, like him a lot.
Dismissing something that he wrote himself as lies shows how broken it’s become in this country. Blind faith, no matter what.
Dismissing something that he wrote himself as lies shows how broken it’s become in this country. Blind faith, no matter what.
204 Re: Next Labour leader on Wed Jan 22 2020, 21:37
Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
I didn't say it was "lies"
If I thought he was racist I wouldn't have voted for him. Corbyn on the other hand whom you voted for....
If I thought he was racist I wouldn't have voted for him. Corbyn on the other hand whom you voted for....
205 Re: Next Labour leader on Wed Jan 22 2020, 23:09
xmiles
Jay Jay Okocha
You appear to be overlooking the novel that Boris wrote in 2004. See the link below for details.
How much evidence do you need? You presumably accept that he is a serial liar.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwijkZS4qJjnAhUPGsAKHYh0CKQQFjAHegQICRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Flithub.com%2Freminder-boris-johnson-wrote-a-racist-novel-in-2004%2F&usg=AOvVaw33csP5pqWt33Vgf0dzNLPa
How much evidence do you need? You presumably accept that he is a serial liar.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwijkZS4qJjnAhUPGsAKHYh0CKQQFjAHegQICRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Flithub.com%2Freminder-boris-johnson-wrote-a-racist-novel-in-2004%2F&usg=AOvVaw33csP5pqWt33Vgf0dzNLPa
206 Re: Next Labour leader on Thu Jan 23 2020, 01:32
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Why are you even debating it?
208 Re: Next Labour leader on Thu Jan 23 2020, 10:24
okocha
Andy Walker
In the Telegraph article, published in August 2018 , Johnson said it was “absolutely ridiculous” women chose to “go around looking like letterboxes and bank robbers".
209 Re: Next Labour leader on Thu Jan 23 2020, 11:22
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
A bit rich from the bloke who chooses to look like a fat cockapoo@okocha wrote:In the Telegraph article, published in August 2018 , Johnson said it was “absolutely ridiculous” women chose to “go around looking like letterboxes and bank robbers".
210 Re: Next Labour leader on Thu Jan 23 2020, 12:37
Guest
Guest
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:I didn't say it was "lies"
@Hipster_Nebula wrote:Labour will only win back power when they stop trotting (get it) out lies about him being racist
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