How is the Tory government doing?

okocha wrote:XM and Wander, very well expressed....but don't forget The Express, Telegraph and Piers in your list....

T.R.O.Y wrote:I was telling you to give it a rest on the wanting to see our country fail bile.

Fair enough on the rest of your post, but I’ll judge him by his record. And his and this governments record on policy so far is very poor (in my opinion). See my post on the first page for specifics.

T.R.O.Y wrote:It’s quite a common response to negative Brexit press in my experience - so apologies if that came across harsh on you personally.

wanderlust wrote:
Although blaming remainers for "not wanting it to work" does come across as an early excuse for faiilure in the making but time will tell.

gloswhite wrote:

wanderlust wrote:
Although blaming remainers for "not wanting it to work" does come across as an early excuse for faiilure in the making but time will tell.

I don't see this Wander. Without the backing of half the country from the outset, its going to be tougher than it needs to be.

T.R.O.Y wrote:A Brexit MEP, not a Tory, but still a complete idiot

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:

wanderlust wrote:
Although blaming remainers for "not wanting it to work" does come across as an early excuse for faiilure in the making but time will tell.

I don't see this Wander. Without the backing of half the country from the outset, its going to be tougher than it needs to be.

Exactly how is it going to be tougher glos? Just because remainers think it will be a disaster doesn't make it a disaster any more than leavers thinking it will be wonderful won't make it wonderful. This isn't Tinkerbell glos.  

gloswhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:

wanderlust wrote:
Although blaming remainers for "not wanting it to work" does come across as an early excuse for faiilure in the making but time will tell.

I don't see this Wander. Without the backing of half the country from the outset, its going to be tougher than it needs to be.

Exactly how is it going to be tougher glos? Just because remainers think it will be a disaster doesn't make it a disaster any more than leavers thinking it will be wonderful won't make it wonderful. This isn't Tinkerbell glos.  

Quite simple really. How can a government negotiate with confidence when there are a large number of its population who will continue to do anything to hamper talks, mainly (because they lost the original argument).
How does Tinkerbell come into this? 
Nothing worse than a grown man calling on a flighty fairy to back him up.

gloswhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:

wanderlust wrote:
Although blaming remainers for "not wanting it to work" does come across as an early excuse for faiilure in the making but time will tell.

I don't see this Wander. Without the backing of half the country from the outset, its going to be tougher than it needs to be.

Exactly how is it going to be tougher glos? Just because remainers think it will be a disaster doesn't make it a disaster any more than leavers thinking it will be wonderful won't make it wonderful. This isn't Tinkerbell glos.  

Quite simple really. How can a government negotiate with confidence when there are a large number of its population who will continue to do anything to hamper talks, mainly (because they lost the original argument).

wanderlust wrote:

gloswhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:

wanderlust wrote:
Although blaming remainers for "not wanting it to work" does come across as an early excuse for faiilure in the making but time will tell.

I don't see this Wander. Without the backing of half the country from the outset, its going to be tougher than it needs to be.

Exactly how is it going to be tougher glos? Just because remainers think it will be a disaster doesn't make it a disaster any more than leavers thinking it will be wonderful won't make it wonderful. This isn't Tinkerbell glos.  

Quite simple really. How can a government negotiate with confidence when there are a large number of its population who will continue to do anything to hamper talks, mainly (because they lost the original argument).

With a remit granted by less than a third of the population any negotiation was never going to have the backing of the country, but we all knew that and as pointed out it above it will have no impact whatsoever on the hardnosed negotiators.
Negotiate with confidence?
Has anyone actually said they have any confidence in the negotiations? Europhiles have always said that taking us out of a situation where we already have strong and proven highly beneficial agreements in place is a incredibly stupid risk.
And I don't even recall the Tories/Leavers ever saying there was any guaranteed outcome so that's hardly a recipe for "confidence" anyway.

If anything is going to undermine the confidence of the negotiators it's the ridiculous position we have put ourselves in i.e. with massively reduced influence and buying power, the stench of desperation that comes from having thrown away a strong hand and the America-first attitude of the very people the remainers have bet the house on.

If anyone had actually bothered to listen to the people we are allegedly going to be negotiating with they would know that they think Britain is in cloud cuckoo land and that we have ABSOLUTELY ZERO CHANCE of getting any sort of deals that are remotely as good as the ones we are pissing away.

THAT will undermine any confidence the British negotiators may have, not what the people think.

As an aside, it seems highly pertinent that today Trump alluded to renegotiating the deal between the US and the EU which he thinks is unfair on the US - as clear an indicator of what we can expect e.g. this - and a measure of what a great deal we had before Britain went mad.

Ironically, any new agreement between the US and the EU is likely to be far better than any deal between the US and the UK as we have so much less to negotiate with than our partners in the EU. Why the hell do you think we voted overwhelmingly to join the EU in the first place if not for massively increased negotiating power in a global economy? Even Thatcher recognised it was our only chance of competing with the super-economies of China and the USA.

As for "losing the original argument" - Britain lost and the corporate foreigners who manipulated the outcome will be the only winners. Plus the British puppets and traitors who facilitated it for personal gain. That includes you Borat.

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:

wanderlust wrote:
Although blaming remainers for "not wanting it to work" does come across as an early excuse for faiilure in the making but time will tell.

I don't see this Wander. Without the backing of half the country from the outset, its going to be tougher than it needs to be.

Exactly how is it going to be tougher glos? Just because remainers think it will be a disaster doesn't make it a disaster any more than leavers thinking it will be wonderful won't make it wonderful. This isn't Tinkerbell glos.  

Quite simple really. How can a government negotiate with confidence when there are a large number of its population who will continue to do anything to hamper talks, mainly (because they lost the original argument).
How does Tinkerbell come into this? 
Nothing worse than a grown man calling on a flighty fairy to back him up.

How exactly are people "hamper[ing] talks"?  

You seem to think that merely believing in something, no matter how preposterous, makes it real. Hence the Tinkerbell reference - which I suspect you were able to work out for yourself glos.

gloswhite wrote:

wanderlust wrote:

gloswhite wrote:

xmiles wrote:

gloswhite wrote:

wanderlust wrote:
Although blaming remainers for "not wanting it to work" does come across as an early excuse for faiilure in the making but time will tell.

I don't see this Wander. Without the backing of half the country from the outset, its going to be tougher than it needs to be.

Exactly how is it going to be tougher glos? Just because remainers think it will be a disaster doesn't make it a disaster any more than leavers thinking it will be wonderful won't make it wonderful. This isn't Tinkerbell glos.  

Quite simple really. How can a government negotiate with confidence when there are a large number of its population who will continue to do anything to hamper talks, mainly (because they lost the original argument).

With a remit granted by less than a third of the population any negotiation was never going to have the backing of the country, but we all knew that and as pointed out it above it will have no impact whatsoever on the hardnosed negotiators.
Negotiate with confidence?
Has anyone actually said they have any confidence in the negotiations? Europhiles have always said that taking us out of a situation where we already have strong and proven highly beneficial agreements in place is a incredibly stupid risk.
And I don't even recall the Tories/Leavers ever saying there was any guaranteed outcome so that's hardly a recipe for "confidence" anyway.

If anything is going to undermine the confidence of the negotiators it's the ridiculous position we have put ourselves in i.e. with massively reduced influence and buying power, the stench of desperation that comes from having thrown away a strong hand and the America-first attitude of the very people the remainers have bet the house on.

If anyone had actually bothered to listen to the people we are allegedly going to be negotiating with they would know that they think Britain is in cloud cuckoo land and that we have ABSOLUTELY ZERO CHANCE of getting any sort of deals that are remotely as good as the ones we are pissing away.

THAT will undermine any confidence the British negotiators may have, not what the people think.

As an aside, it seems highly pertinent that today Trump alluded to renegotiating the deal between the US and the EU which he thinks is unfair on the US - as clear an indicator of what we can expect e.g. this - and a measure of what a great deal we had before Britain went mad.

Ironically, any new agreement between the US and the EU is likely to be far better than any deal between the US and the UK as we have so much less to negotiate with than our partners in the EU. Why the hell do you think we voted overwhelmingly to join the EU in the first place if not for massively increased negotiating power in a global economy? Even Thatcher recognised it was our only chance of competing with the super-economies of China and the USA.

As for "losing the original argument" - Britain lost and the corporate foreigners who manipulated the outcome will be the only winners. Plus the British puppets and traitors who facilitated it for personal gain. That includes you Borat.

With a remit granted by less than a third of the population 
As soon as I saw this I thought, 'Here we go again', and I was right. Only, this time its a full-on rant, with nothing new and very much the same, stale, comments. Also, a ridiculous reference to 'Borat' all the time. Have you not noticed yet Wander, that nobody cares that you have a silly name for Boris ?
I don't see the point in going over the same stuff over and over. We know each others views and none of us are going to change, so I'll continue to read , but I no longer see the point in joining your Boris-bashing fests.