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361Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Thu Nov 05 2020, 19:37

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@MartinBWFC wrote:
For Trump it surely is, and why he's so desperate to hide behind the shield of Presidency.

I read a news item where it says Trump was screaming down the phone at  Murdoch because of how he reported some of the election.

362Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Nov 06 2020, 00:34

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Infamy! Infamy! They've all got it infamy!

Just watched Trump's predictably outrageous rant and I could almost hear "Oh dear" echoing around the world.
There are bad losers and then there's Trump. Sure nobody expects him to go gracefully, but his strategy is somewhere between dumb and desperate, mainly the former. Specifically, calling for the count to be stopped, losing in court and then dropping the idea when he realised that if they stop the count, Biden will be President. What he can't seem to grasp is that if they don't stop the count Biden will be President - and I imagine at some point, Mitch McConnell will attempt to "persuade" Trump not to further embarrass the GOP with a lengthy campaign of litigation from a losing position as there's no upside. 
Unless Trump can produce the smoking gun on electoral fraud but even then he'll be stigmatised. He certainly has some creative contacts though.
Can the Republicans dump Trump?

I'm not really sure they can. But now's the time to do it.

One thing is for sure - at some point Trump will make more money from books and the lecture circuit than he ever did in business. And he'll need it if Biden gets in and they hand Trump his tax bill Smile

363Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Nov 06 2020, 10:56

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Andy Walker
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Trump has said how dare the Democrats undermine democracy by getting more votes than him in some of the States. He said that anyone who prevents him from winning is a socialist and must be destroyed. Razz

364Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Nov 06 2020, 11:08

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Andy Walker
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@wanderlust wrote:Infamy! Infamy! They've all got it infamy!


Very Happy

365Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Nov 06 2020, 12:04

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
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366Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Nov 06 2020, 12:30

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Andy Walker
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Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 NcYaRwT

367Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Nov 06 2020, 12:32

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Andy Walker
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Just in time for Christmas.

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368Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Nov 06 2020, 13:41

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
@wanderlust wrote:Infamy! Infamy! They've all got it infamy!

Just watched Trump's predictably outrageous rant and I could almost hear "Oh dear" echoing around the world.
There are bad losers and then there's Trump. Sure nobody expects him to go gracefully, but his strategy is somewhere between dumb and desperate, mainly the former. Specifically, calling for the count to be stopped, losing in court and then dropping the idea when he realised that if they stop the count, Biden will be President. What he can't seem to grasp is that if they don't stop the count Biden will be President - and I imagine at some point, Mitch McConnell will attempt to "persuade" Trump not to further embarrass the GOP with a lengthy campaign of litigation from a losing position as there's no upside. 
Unless Trump can produce the smoking gun on electoral fraud but even then he'll be stigmatised. He certainly has some creative contacts though.
Can the Republicans dump Trump?

I'm not really sure they can. But now's the time to do it.

One thing is for sure - at some point Trump will make more money from books and the lecture circuit than he ever did in business. And he'll need it if Biden gets in and they hand Trump his tax bill Smile     
I rarely disagree with you Lusty, but I believe you are reading this incorrectly.  Biden is almost certain to win, but Trump has spent the past few months calling any election he lost as fraud.  Trump's rants are to play to his base...  remember he once said that he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and he wouldn't lose a vote.  Well, for once, I believe he is correct.  Trump has buried anyone who has stood in his way... mostly from the Republican party.  He has fired anyone who disagreed with him.  He has praised every dictator in the world.  He has urged his minions to take up arms and defend him from any opposition.  And they have... which makes Republicans fear his wrath and they are very careful not to tread on him now.  Certainly every legal vote should count and some Republicans will say just that... but the Republicans are counting on Trump's base for future elections.  How anyone could believe the countless lies that spew from Trump's mouth is surreal to me. Trump lives in a fantasy world, but he managed to get, at this writing, almost 70 million votes.  Which Republican who aspires power would walk away from that base?  This election is the mirror image of the Clinton loss four years ago, with the Rust Belt (Wisconsin, Illinois and Michigan) flipping by small margins to Biden.  The final count may be almost identical in the reverse to Trump's first election.  But what is Trump's future?  He has a huge base who are fanatical about him, despite his lying, his support of dictators around the world, and his lack of empathy for the 230,000 plus who have died from the covid virus, or his knowledge of the virus's dangers while he denied the existence of it in the United States.  The truth is there are two Americas... with the minority ruling the majority (this will only be the second time in 8 elections with the winner of the popular vote winning the White House).  At the same time, the blue states (which have been the minority) support the red states (which have been the majority) financially.  The legacy of Donald Trump will be his appointments of unqualified conservative judges to many levels of courts... only selected by dark money who have quietly supported this campaign.  In this, they succeeded.  It is possible Trump will face lawsuits for the rest of his life.  It is possible the Trump brand will be bankrupt.  It is possible he will run again in four years.  But what is true at this time, is there will be a very divided America... one with way too many guns and conspiracy theorists who rile up his base.  It is not a formula for success.  Lastly, if there is any evidence of fraud, you only need to look at Trump's victory over Hillary Clinton, where the Russians helped Trump win via social media... a nouveau experiment that worked for him.   We have learned the emperor has no clothes, and it is very possible, instead of speaking engagements and books, he will be given prison clothes to live out his life in.  As Trump blocked the Constitution at every turn (refused subpoenas to appear before Congress and blocked his lieutenants from testifying), he effectively stopped the checks and balances the Founding Fathers had put into the government.  Now, the Senate will apparently return to Trump's enablers, and the next four years will be a stalemate... had that turned, there would have been a way to investigate the four fraudulent years that Trump ruled over.  During the Nixon years, bad things happened, but the Republican leadership said enough was enough and they strolled to the White House to tell him to resign.  These are different times, where the Republican party has aligned themselves to anything Trump has said... all wanting that huge base who followed him.  So we have a conservative base, who will overlook all of Trump's indiscretions and bluster, and would easily give him another term in office.  Can the two Americas get together again?  Not likely at this time... and until Trump's huge aura disappears, will never get together.

369Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Nov 06 2020, 14:10

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...major networks including CNBC, MSNBC and NBC cut away from Trump's statement yesterday - even though US broadcasters would argue they pulled the stream for reasons of accuracy.

US outlets said they halted Mr Trump's speech because he was spreading unsubstantiated claims. “Our job is spread truth – not unfounded conspiracies," USA Today said.

370Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Nov 06 2020, 14:18

finlaymcdanger

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El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
WARNING! bad language! But it’s the best thing I’ve seen in 4 years.

https://twitter.com/michaelrapaport/status/1324144728472842242?s=21

371Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Nov 06 2020, 14:30

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@finlaymcdanger wrote:WARNING! bad language! But it’s the best thing I’ve seen in 4 years.

https://twitter.com/michaelrapaport/status/1324144728472842242?s=21
I enjoyed that. Very Happy

372Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Nov 06 2020, 14:36

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
@observer wrote:
I rarely disagree with you Lusty, but I believe you are reading this incorrectly.  Biden is almost certain to win, but Trump has spent the past few months calling any election he lost as fraud.  Trump's rants are to play to his base...  remember he once said that he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and he wouldn't lose a vote.  Well, for once, I believe he is correct.  Trump has buried anyone who has stood in his way... mostly from the Republican party.  He has fired anyone who disagreed with him.  He has praised every dictator in the world.  He has urged his minions to take up arms and defend him from any opposition.  And they have... which makes Republicans fear his wrath and they are very careful not to tread on him now.  Certainly every legal vote should count and some Republicans will say just that... but the Republicans are counting on Trump's base for future elections.  How anyone could believe the countless lies that spew from Trump's mouth is surreal to me. Trump lives in a fantasy world, but he managed to get, at this writing, almost 70 million votes.  Which Republican who aspires power would walk away from that base?  This election is the mirror image of the Clinton loss four years ago, with the Rust Belt (Wisconsin, Illinois and Michigan) flipping by small margins to Biden.  The final count may be almost identical in the reverse to Trump's first election.  But what is Trump's future?  He has a huge base who are fanatical about him, despite his lying, his support of dictators around the world, and his lack of empathy for the 230,000 plus who have died from the covid virus, or his knowledge of the virus's dangers while he denied the existence of it in the United States.  The truth is there are two Americas... with the minority ruling the majority (this will only be the second time in 8 elections with the winner of the popular vote winning the White House).  At the same time, the blue states (which have been the minority) support the red states (which have been the majority) financially.  The legacy of Donald Trump will be his appointments of unqualified conservative judges to many levels of courts... only selected by dark money who have quietly supported this campaign.  In this, they succeeded.  It is possible Trump will face lawsuits for the rest of his life.  It is possible the Trump brand will be bankrupt.  It is possible he will run again in four years.  But what is true at this time, is there will be a very divided America... one with way too many guns and conspiracy theorists who rile up his base.  It is not a formula for success.  Lastly, if there is any evidence of fraud, you only need to look at Trump's victory over Hillary Clinton, where the Russians helped Trump win via social media... a nouveau experiment that worked for him.   We have learned the emperor has no clothes, and it is very possible, instead of speaking engagements and books, he will be given prison clothes to live out his life in.  As Trump blocked the Constitution at every turn (refused subpoenas to appear before Congress and blocked his lieutenants from testifying), he effectively stopped the checks and balances the Founding Fathers had put into the government.  Now, the Senate will apparently return to Trump's enablers, and the next four years will be a stalemate... had that turned, there would have been a way to investigate the four fraudulent years that Trump ruled over.  During the Nixon years, bad things happened, but the Republican leadership said enough was enough and they strolled to the White House to tell him to resign.  These are different times, where the Republican party has aligned themselves to anything Trump has said... all wanting that huge base who followed him.  So we have a conservative base, who will overlook all of Trump's indiscretions and bluster, and would easily give him another term in office.  Can the two Americas get together again?  Not likely at this time... and until Trump's huge aura disappears, will never get together.
So the bit that you disagree with is that you don't think the Republicans will dump Trump?
Perhaps not, but I think that they have to decide on how they think they can become electable again and it's fairly clear that the people have voted against Trump rather than against the Republicans - who look likely to retain the Senate as a result.
Already Republican senators are starting to turn and the direction of travel seems to be towards the idea of "attracting all Republicans, not just Trump supporters" - which clearly implies that are saying a lot of Republicans don't want and to some extent fear Trump.

Fact is Trump is highly divisive and his fan base may be large but it clearly isn't large enough to win an election - and that is unacceptable to GOP grandees like McConnell who I believe will be having a word in Donald's shell-like soon.

373Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Nov 06 2020, 14:39

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Andy Walker
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@finlaymcdanger wrote:WARNING! bad language! But it’s the best thing I’ve seen in 4 years.

https://twitter.com/michaelrapaport/status/1324144728472842242?s=21

Yeah, that was funny. Great accent.

374Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Nov 06 2020, 19:21

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Andy Walker
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375Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Nov 06 2020, 20:46

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Written for Trump senior, Woody's landlord at the time, it applies just as well to his son.

376Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Sat Nov 07 2020, 00:13

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377Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Sat Nov 07 2020, 00:57

finlaymcdanger

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El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf
@Sluffy wrote:

Brilliant!

378Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Sat Nov 07 2020, 09:07

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
When I first saw the above post I assumed we'd been joined by Professor Abraham Van Helsing.

379Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Sun Nov 08 2020, 22:52

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Excellent work from the saints. Sure i saw a photo of a a guy in a crowd outside a polling station with a banner with a picture of trump and those words with the "o" missing in the final word.

380Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Mon Nov 09 2020, 01:16

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Even Melania is telling him to concede (divorce papers to follow?) but he has several important rounds of golf to complete.
It's been suggested that he has massive debts so he can't concede.

381Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Mon Nov 09 2020, 08:45

xmiles

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Jay Jay Okocha
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He is behaving like a small child and when he is forced to back down he will look like an even bigger loser.

382Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Wed Nov 11 2020, 12:58

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Now that the judges have thrown out Trump's lawyer's cases in both Michigan and Georgia and the postal worker who claimed he had witnessed fraud has recanted his statement it looks like the recounts will still go ahead in the 4 other closely contested states as per the constitution.
Apparently Trump voters had donated $136k to support the case based on the postman's claim, but when he backed down faced with having to prove it, the website was immediately closed down.

It also turns out that Melania had renegotiated her pre-nup when Trump entered office so she is likely to get more than $50 million - far more than his other wives got.

383Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Wed Nov 11 2020, 19:07

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Andy Walker
Andy Walker
He is another Gammon. Like the one who tried to grill me about left-wing bias on the Bus this week.

Relocated from the other thread that I originally posted this in, thinking it was the Trump thread.

I am watching telly whilst posting and making a mess of it. That or senility.

When I say about another Gammon, am on about Trump.

384Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Wed Nov 11 2020, 19:34

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Andy Walker
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Him.

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385Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Wed Nov 11 2020, 19:57

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Nat Lofthouse
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386Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Wed Nov 11 2020, 20:06

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Andy Walker
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Clinton is looking old Crying or Very sad . I remember his inauguration, it doesnt seem so long ago, but it was.

387Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Thu Nov 12 2020, 02:00

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
Fox news has turned....

388Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Nov 13 2020, 06:10

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Andy Walker
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It seems that tRump is finally giving up. Reading this recent tweet from him.

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389Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Nov 13 2020, 08:41

BoltonTillIDie

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse
ha ha ha

390Donald Trump for President of the USA - Page 13 Empty Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA on Fri Nov 13 2020, 08:41

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