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Donald Trump for President of the USA

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Sluffy wrote:My understanding might be faulty but as far as my following of all this - Gaetz quit as a US Senator and thus created a vacancy - the Governor of the state (in this case Florida) can nominate someone (presumably who fulfils the relevant criteria) to act as a 'temporary' Senator to represent that state in the US Senate  (for up to a year?) whilst an election can be held to fill the vacancy.

Therefore Governor De Santos (Rep) could in effect simply send Gaetz back to the US Senate for the next twelve months, if he chose to do that.

But if Gaetz went back to the Senate (or one day Congress) then surely he would be subject to the findings of the inquiry he quit to avoid - which clearly found against him (otherwise he would not have pulled out today after clearly not getting the backing he wanted on his visit to the Capitol yesterday - AND enough decent Republican Congressmen (I believe 4 would be sufficient?) would vote with the Democrats against him to get him chucked out (like George Santos (Rep) recently was?

I guess the immediate future for Gaetz would be if Trump appoints him to a post were no Congress approval is necessary or Trump wangles himself powers to appoint who he wants when Congress is not in sitting?


To be totally honest I simply can't get my head around why more than half the voters in any country would willing vote in an obviously corrupt man and put their own future freedoms and democracy in his hands?

It just seems insanely crazy to me.

Yes I know about the morons who have nearly zero education but I keep coming back to how the emergency hospital surgeon who was at the Trump rally when Trump was shot (and millions of others who clearly do have a brain) would vote for him?

Yes he might make them richer through cutting taxes but he throws everyone else under the bus in doing so - and that is just storing up trouble and resentment further down the line.

As the song goes...

There may be trouble ahead...

...and sooner or later we will all have to face the music but we won't be dancing!
Almost entirely correct with one small factual error... Gaetz was a Representative, not a Senator (there are 100 Senators and 435 Representatives). Gaetz said he does not "intend" to fill his house seat, which he won this month with 2/3 of the vote in his district. So DeSantis will call a special election to fill that seat. The open Senate seat that Rubio left will be filled by DeSantis until the next general election (almost one year).  Could DeSantis nominate himself since he is term limited as Governor?  As to how 74 million could vote for Trump, you only have to go to the only truth Trump has told in years. "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" Trump finally told the truth and that should answer why 76 million plus would vote for a convicted felon, convicted sex offender and has between 27-69 women saying they were abused by him in some fashion, but he was never charged other than being convicted in the E. Jean Carroll case... the judge calling his abuse, in fact "rape."  Journalist Michael Wolff released recordings between Trump and the notorious Jeffrey Epstein... in the broadest strokes, Wolff’s intention is to paint a picture of two wealthy men of the 1980s whose shared interests lie in money, women and status. He describes how they socialized together in New York. “Here are these two guys both driven by a need to do anything they wanted with women: dominance and submission and entertainment. And one of them ends up in the darkest prison in the country and the other in the White House.” 

Trump did indeed end up in the White House twice, while Epstein died under mysterious circumstances in the prison they call The Tombs.

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observer wrote:Almost entirely correct with one small factual error... Gaetz was a Representative, not a Senator (there are 100 Senators and 435 Representatives). Gaetz said he does not "intend" to fill his house seat, which he won this month with 2/3 of the vote in his district. So DeSantis will call a special election to fill that seat. The open Senate seat that Rubio left will be filled by DeSantis until the next general election (almost one year).  Could DeSantis nominate himself since he is term limited as Governor?  As to how 74 million could vote for Trump, you only have to go to the only truth Trump has told in years. "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" Trump finally told the truth and that should answer why 76 million plus would vote for a convicted felon, convicted sex offender and has between 27-69 women saying they were abused by him in some fashion, but he was never charged other than being convicted in the E. Jean Carroll case... the judge calling his abuse, in fact "rape."  Journalist Michael Wolff released recordings between Trump and the notorious Jeffrey Epstein... in the broadest strokes, Wolff’s intention is to paint a picture of two wealthy men of the 1980s whose shared interests lie in money, women and status. He describes how they socialized together in New York. “Here are these two guys both driven by a need to do anything they wanted with women: dominance and submission and entertainment. And one of them ends up in the darkest prison in the country and the other in the White House.” 

Trump did indeed end up in the White House twice, while Epstein died under mysterious circumstances in the prison they call The Tombs.

Thanks Obs.

I did actually know he was a Congressman - I remember seeing him leading the revolt against Kevin McCarthy) but I clearly confused myself by referring to him as a Senator.

I still am unsure of all the terminology that is used in the US - as you know we refer to our 'lawmakers' simply as MP's - I guess technically the members of the House of Lords are as well but in practice they can only delay bills as any amendments they make could simply be reversed when the bill is returned to the House of Commons.

For instance was Gaetz a Congressman, lawmaker or a representative (presumably he was all three?) so which is the correct term to use - does it differ in certain circumstances, or all the terms simply interchangeable at any time?

Not that it matters greatly but by not knowing I'm wondering if I'm not fully understanding the nuance of what is being reported.

And I still can understand how 76 million people can't see Trump (and Gaetz and all the other MAGA crazies) for what they really are?

..dunno..


I tend to think a lot of it must be deriving from social media

The following may be of some interest to you.

The BBC set up a little experiment called the 'Undercover Voters project' in advance of the American mid-term and carried it on until Trumps win earlier this month.

The video explains what they were doing and the link I post below the video is an update just before the Election day.

It goes to show how people can be subtly led up the garden path if you depend for all your news and views from social media!




Gabriela is an undecided voter. Here's the very different content TikTok and X showed her

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy5lngzxxrvo

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Andy Walker
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Sluffy wrote:

Thanks Obs.

I did actually know he was a Congressman - I remember seeing him leading the revolt against Kevin McCarthy) but I clearly confused myself by referring to him as a Senator.

I still am unsure of all the terminology that is used in the US - as you know we refer to our 'lawmakers' simply as MP's - I guess technically the members of the House of Lords are as well but in practice they can only delay bills as any amendments they make could simply be reversed when the bill is returned to the House of Commons.

For instance was Gaetz a Congressman, lawmaker or a representative (presumably he was all three?) so which is the correct term to use - does it differ in certain circumstances, or all the terms simply interchangeable at any time?

Not that it matters greatly but by not knowing I'm wondering if I'm not fully understanding the nuance of what is being reported.

And I still can understand how 76 million people can't see Trump (and Gaetz and all the other MAGA crazies) for what they really are?

..dunno..


I tend to think a lot of it must be deriving from social media

The following may be of some interest to you.

The BBC set up a little experiment called the 'Undercover Voters project' in advance of the American mid-term and carried it on until Trumps win earlier this month.

The video explains what they were doing and the link I post below the video is an update just before Trump winning the Election a few weeks back.

It goes to show how people can be subtly led up the garden path if you depend for all your news and views from social media!




Gabriela is an undecided voter. Here's the very different content TikTok and X showed her

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy5lngzxxrvo
Simplistically, there are 3 branches of government... Executive Branch (President), Legislative (House of Representatives and the Senate), and the Judicial Branch. Gaetz was all three as you described him:  A legislator and a Congressman (as well as a Representative in the Lower House).  The House has three unique duties... impeachment of a federal official (not conviction which then goes to the Senate for trial);  initiating revenue bills; and election of a President in case of an Electoral College tie or neither receiving a majority of the electors (which can happen with a third candidate).

I totally believe two entities swayed this election, in addition to dissatisfaction with the incumbents... those being Fox "News," which Rupert Murdoch testified in court is entertainment and not news; and X... the former Twitter, which spread false and misleading information... with Elon Musk supporting Trump financially and on social media.

Lastly, the inner cities, which normally support the Democrats, apparently stayed home. The turnout was significantly lower than Biden four years ago.  Latinos voted heavily for Trump. Immigration, the economy and crime were not well sold by the Democrats... hence, most voters only knew what they had to spend in the grocery store. That led to throwing the incumbents out. 

So a man who cannot tell the truth about anything except his following, and who apparently wants out of NATO and the Ukraine, and will follow Putin's bidding, was re-elected by an unhappy electorate. Little do they realize that his promises will not be kept, and that the billionaires will get all the benefits, while the poor will be hurt yet again with healthcare, retirement and social programs being dismantled.

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