Donald Trump for President of the USA

Well thank goodness there’s more of us uneducated white males than there are supercilious, full of their own misguided importance ones like you then Sluffy. At least being uneducated we are blessed with common sense, something that’s sadly lacking in your life. Maybe you should just accept that not everybody thinks like you do Sluffy old lad and don’t see the need to show our ignorance by constantly abusing those with different views. The sad thing is that you just can’t see how pathetic you are. Maybe one day I’ll be able to educate you.

You could educate me in how to became a racist and a bigot I suppose but I certainly wouldn't be turning up to any of your masterclasses in them though.

Being uneducated certainly doesn't equate to being blessed with common sense - if that was the case then nobody would bother with education at all - why would they, after all common sense told us the Earth was flat and we'd fall off it if we went to far!

Being uneducated simply means that you are ripe to be exploited, easy to lie to and easily led.

You are right though, the world is full of people like you and less of people like me.

Trump no doubt will try his best no doubt to make it a world that had even less people like me in it until they are all like you.

Am I pathetic, well as I can't stop how the world is going, then I guess I am, but at least I tried in some small way to open peoples eyes to it.

There are none so blind as those that will not see, as the saying goes.

You see yet again Sluffy you just can’t help yourself painting everybody you don’t agree with as some kind of uneducated lunatic, racist or bigot. I suppose therefore you include Elon Musk in that, arguably the smartest entrepreneur in the world. If Starmer was really smart he’d be cuddling up to Elon and The Donald to encourage him to site his gigafactory’s here instead of in Europe as Thatcher did with the likes of Toyota and Honda during her term, instead of allowing idiots like Millibrain to decimate the country with his mad net zero policies. I won’t hold my breath though.

And Rishi bloody Sunack could have tried cosying up to America to have Elon’s gigafactory built here instead of Europe too!!!

You see 63 that the conservatives have been in power for the last 14 years and pretty much done fuck all for its own countries people!!!

I don't paint everybody I disagree with as being uneducated, lunatic, racist or a bigot.

For instance I don't believe I've ever actually called you uneducated, for a start.

I've correctly stated that the majority of Trump supporters are typically uneducated (and racist) - the voting statistic breakdown of yesterdays election I posted up earlier confirms that to be factual, and with you being a fanatic of Trump obviously took what I've said often as implicitly applying to you (if the cap fits...).

You, have branded yourself a racist with your remarks about Muslims and as for being a bigot...

Bigot
noun

A person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

...just read back your comments on Starmer and the Labour Party and try telling the class that you aren't a living example of that definition.  (Christ you are even banging on about Miliband and Labour in your post I'm replying too!  Fwiw Miliband has never been the Prime Minister, so I'm not even sure what you are talking about - do you mean his current government role that he's only been in for a few months?)

Do I really need to explain why everyone on here already sees you as a looney?

As for Musk!

Don't you even remember back to the start of this election when Musk wasn't even supporting Trump???




He was fully behind Ron DeSantis and even launched his candidacy.

Ron DeSantis will launch his presidential bid with Elon Musk

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/ron-desantis-presidential-bid-campaign-elon-musk-rcna85288


You really don't understand about money and power?

Musk has joined Trump to be in effect an oligarch.

Oligarch
noun

A very rich business leader with a great deal of political influence (particularly with reference to individuals who benefited from the privatisation of state-run industries after the collapse of the Soviet Union).

He (and other fabulously wealthy others) are there to help Trump roll back all the government controls and taking advantage of deregulation make themselves even wealthier.


Mr Musk, who became a US citizen in 2002, has said that he voted almost exclusively for Democrats for decades.

But he soured on President Biden over issues including unions – Mr Musk is opposed to efforts to organise his car workers – and over a snub. He was not invited to the 2021 White House electric vehicle summit, despite Tesla's status as one of the world's largest EV manufacturers.

Under the Biden administration, Mr Musk's companies also faced a number of federal investigations over employment practices, his takeover of Twitter and claims about Tesla's autopilot feature.

In November 2023 he told a New York Times interviewer that he would not vote for Mr Biden again, but stopped short of supporting Trump, saying: "This is definitely a difficult choice here."

Mr Musk lifted the ban on the former president's Twitter account after buying the company.

And perhaps more importantly, his tenure has seen him go ever deeper into concerns that dovetail neatly with Trump's campaign: government censorship and persecution, complaints about the media, opposition to immigration, and anger at "woke" ideas.

"He craves attention and is a political chameleon," said Ryan Broderick, who writes the internet culture newsletter Garbage Day, external.

Mr Broderick said Mr Musk's online posts shifted dramatically a few years ago.

"He was tweeting neoliberal, happy-go-lucky things, and pride flags and so on, until around 2018, and the change happened pretty drastically after that," he said.

Since taking over Twitter, Mr Musk increasingly has engaged in political controversies and has spread inflammatory - and sometimes just outright fake - news stories.

During recent rioting in the UK, he engaged in a tit-for-tat with Prime Minister Keir Starmer, claiming that "civil war is inevitable" and sharing a fake post about "detainment camps" on the Falkland Islands.

He also bought into Trump’s claims - unsupported by evidence - that election fraud is endemic in the US. (funny how there were none when he first won in 2016 and none again this time either - don't you think?)

Research by the Center for Countering Digital Hate – an organisation that Mr Musk attempted to sue in a case that was thrown out earlier this year – noted that so far this year Mr Musk has tweeted false or misleading voting claims 50 times.

And he regularly interacts with fringe, far-right figures and pro-Trump accounts on his own platform, amplifying their reach.

At the same time, his Silicon Valley connections link him to Trump’s inner circle. Mr Musk was a member of the so-called PayPal mafia - stakeholders who made fortunes when the payment processor was bought for $1.5 billion and who later became prolific investors and corporate founders.

PayPal founder Peter Thiel is an influential Republican who later employed JD Vance at his venture capital firm, Mithril Capital Management, then bankrolled his Ohio Senate campaign with a $10m donation.

In March, Mr Musk met Trump at his Florida resort. A couple of months later, Mr Musk hosted an "anti-Biden" dinner party, where the guests included Mr Thiel and Rupert Murdoch, according to US news reports.

Mr Musk has donated money to both Democratic and Republican politicians in the past. But although he insists he is not donating directly to any presidential campaign, he recently co-founded a pro-Trump political action committee, America PAC.

Political action committees have the leeway to spend huge sums supporting candidates and causes - although Mr Musk has said reports that he will contribute $45m a month to the PAC are overblown.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgd08np9z1o

Don't you understand it is everything to do with power and power brings wealth.

Birds of a feather if you will.

It is all about the rich getting richer, and the poor getting poorer.


Maybe you are fine with that?

But if you are then ask yourself the question why most of the world are scrambling to get into Europe and the USA and places like Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia fighting to keep Russia out and Taiwan, Japan, etc, scared to death of being swallowed up by China?

A bit more about...

What Musk could gain from a Trump presidency

Mr Musk threw his support behind the Republican almost immediately after the assassination attempt on Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania in July.

As one of the president-elect's most important backers, the tech billionaire donated more than $119m (£92m) to fund a Super PAC aimed at re-electing Trump.

He also spent the last weeks before election day running a get-out-the-vote effort in the battleground states, which included a daily giveaway of $1m to voters in those states. The giveaway became the subject of a legal challenge, though a judge later ruled they could go ahead.

After throwing his name, money, and platform behind Trump, Mr Musk has plenty to gain from Trump’s re-election.

The president-elect has said that in a second term, he would invite Mr Musk into his administration to eliminate government waste.

Mr Musk has referred to the potential effort as the “Department of Government Efficiency,” or DOGE, the name of a meme and cryptocurrency that he has popularised.

The businessman could also benefit from Trump's presidency through his ownership of SpaceX, which already dominates the business of sending government satellites to space.

With a close ally in the White House, Mr Musk could seek to further capitalise on those government ties.

Mr Musk has criticised rivals including Boeing for the structure of their government contracts, which he says disincentive finishing projects on budget and on time.

SpaceX has also moved into building spy satellites just as the Pentagon and American spy agencies appear poised to invest billions of dollars into them.

Mr Musk’s electric vehicle maker Tesla could meanwhile reap gains from an administration that Trump has said would be defined by “the lowest regulatory burden.”

Just last month, the US agency in charge of regulating road safety revealed it was probing Tesla’s self-driving software systems.

Mr Musk has also come under fire for allegedly seeking to block Tesla workers from unionising. The United Auto Workers filed unfair labour practice charges against both Trump and Musk after the two talked about Musk supposedly firing striking workers during a conversation on X.

Trump has also pledged to lower taxes on corporations and the wealthy.

That’s another promise Mr Musk is likely hoping he will keep.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjdl22yrrk2o


Is it dawning on you yet?

Well the Trump effect seems to already claimed its first victim.

German coalition on brink of collapse after Scholz fires key minister

The German government is made up from a three party coalition...

The crisis inside the coalition plunged Europe's largest economy into political chaos, hours after Trump's election triggered deep uncertainty about the future of the continent's economy and security.

When the coalition between the chancellor's centre-left Social Democrats, the environmentalist Greens and economically liberal FDP was formed in 2021, each party planned to spend big on its own individual core interest groups.

However, Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022 sent energy prices surging, and left Germany facing a increase in defence spending - and the cost of taking in 1.5 million Ukrainian refugees.

Germany is now facing its second year without economic growth.

Scholz and his Green partners want tackle this by loosening constitutional rules on public debt to allow more spending. Lindner wants to pay for tax cuts by slashing welfare and social budgets and pushing back environmental targets.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7v3r046pzzo

So the uncertainty of what Trump might do on Ukraine - will he pull out of NATO perhaps, will he stop backing Ukraine and cause an exodus of refuges from there flooding Europe, will the government fall and the pro Russian political party get elected instead - everything now is no longer certain.

Scary times and it is only one day after Trump's election victory!

Sluffy could not be more correct... nothing to add to his analysis which is spot on. Taylor has the Eras Tour and Drumpf has his Revenge Tour. All his felon friends will be among us once again.

karlypants wrote:And Rishi bloody Sunack could have tried cosying up to America to have Elon’s gigafactory built here instead of Europe too!!!

You see 63 that the conservatives have been in power for the last 14 years and pretty much done fuck all for its own countries people!!!

Karly, I’ve been as big a critic of recent Tory governments and their inactions as anyone so don’t keep throwing that one at me. Cameron began the move left and the party’s never recovered from it allowing the woke blob to grow in our schools, universities, public organisations and the civil service. It’s not about being far right it’s about not allowing small groups to affect the lives of the majority. This government, especially now Trump has been re-elected will hopefully be the last of its kind and when they fall at the next election, as they will, the Tory’s will have reestablished a proper centre right party ready to take on the lefty idiots properly. So please give up on what the Tory’s did because Conservatives they certainly weren’t.

observer wrote:Sluffy could not be more correct... nothing to add to his analysis which is spot on. Taylor has the Eras Tour and Drumpf has his Revenge Tour. All his felon friends will be among us once again.

If I could be even half arsed to read any of his guff I’d probably as you’d expect disagree with you but as I can’t I’ll just let it go over my head as usual. You’re obviously a Sluffy disciple but at least you post short comments that posters can read and reply to concisely but you do write some laughable shit between you. Always fun to read and have a smile little smile though.

Whitesince63 wrote:

observer wrote:Sluffy could not be more correct... nothing to add to his analysis which is spot on. Taylor has the Eras Tour and Drumpf has his Revenge Tour. All his felon friends will be among us once again.

If I could be even half arsed to read any of his guff I’d probably as you’d expect disagree with you but as I can’t I’ll just let it go over my head as usual. You’re obviously a Sluffy disciple but at least you post short comments that posters can read and reply to concisely but you do write some laughable shit between you. Always fun to read and have a smile little smile though.

You have just admitted to not reading any of my 'guff' which compiles mostly of detailed facts and analysis by experts in their fields because you can only manage bitesize phrases like 'Make America Great Again' and 'Trump will Fix It' and you don't see the irony that analysis has shown that typical Trump voters are uneducated?





Obs, thanks for your kind words - all the facts and information are out there if only people wanted to check stuff for themselves rather than being braindead and believing everything they are fed on social media or right wing news channels.

Whitesince63 wrote:

karlypants wrote:And Rishi bloody Sunack could have tried cosying up to America to have Elon’s gigafactory built here instead of Europe too!!!

You see 63 that the conservatives have been in power for the last 14 years and pretty much done fuck all for its own countries people!!!

Karly, I’ve been as big a critic of recent Tory governments and their inactions as anyone so don’t keep throwing that one at me. Cameron began the move left and the party’s never recovered from it allowing the woke blob to grow in our schools, universities, public organisations and the civil service. It’s not about being far right it’s about not allowing small groups to affect the lives of the majority. This government, especially now Trump has been re-elected will hopefully be the last of its kind and when they fall at the next election, as they will, the Tory’s will have reestablished a proper centre right party ready to take on the lefty idiots properly. So please give up on what the Tory’s did because Conservatives they certainly weren’t.

I can't believe I'm typing this but you are criticising a government that has only just come into power about a month or so ago.

Absolutely bloody ridiculous. If the Tories did the right thing then Labour wouldn't need to be sorting out their frigging mess!

karlypants wrote:

I can't believe I'm typing this but you are criticising a government that has only just come into power about a month or so ago.

Absolutely bloody ridiculous. If the Tories did the right thing then Labour wouldn't need to be sorting out their frigging mess!

Karly, I’m not disagreeing with you the Tory governments of the last 14 years have been dreadful, essentially because they just weren’t Conservatives. I’m hoping that Kemi will now move us back to a position that centre right voters can get behind. 

Trump won because he identified exactly what the majority wanted. Pounds in their pockets, cheap and affordable energy, secure borders and a war on woke. They’re sick of being labelled mysoginists, racists, climate deniers and other labels just because they question the current fashion. People are reluctant to voice their true feelings for fear of being castigated so I’m hoping that the new Conservative shadow cabinet will take the same route as the Donald and prepare to rid us of the woke and misguided numpties that have damaged our country so badly when they get back in power. The right must come together and hopefully will.

Whitesince63 wrote:

karlypants wrote:

I can't believe I'm typing this but you are criticising a government that has only just come into power about a month or so ago.

Absolutely bloody ridiculous. If the Tories did the right thing then Labour wouldn't need to be sorting out their frigging mess!

Karly, I’m not disagreeing with you the Tory governments of the last 14 years have been dreadful, essentially because they just weren’t Conservatives. I’m hoping that Kemi will now move us back to a position that centre right voters can get behind. 

Trump won because he identified exactly what the majority wanted. Pounds in their pockets, cheap and affordable energy, secure borders and a war on woke. They’re sick of being labelled mysoginists, racists, climate deniers and other labels just because they question the current fashion. People are reluctant to voice their true feelings for fear of being castigated so I’m hoping that the new Conservative shadow cabinet will take the same route as the Donald and prepare to rid us of the woke and misguided numpties that have damaged our country so badly when they get back in power. The right must come together and hopefully will.

Dear God what a reply!!!

Where do I start?

OK 63's been voting for the last 14 years for a party he doesn't agree with!

Prior to then Labour had been in government for the previous 8 years.

So assuming he doesn't considers the John Major government of 1992 being a 'proper' Conservative government - and I doubt he will considering Major's anger at the Eurosceptic 'bastards' in his party at the time...

John Major's rage and frustration with rightwing Tories boiled over this weekend when, in an outburst, he called three of his own cabinet members "bastards".
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/1993/jul/25/politicalnews.uk

...then you have to go back to June 1983 when Thatcher won her last election (before she was finally carted off to the looney bin) - FORTY YEARS AGO - to find a Conservative government he actually liked!!!

It's no wonder 63 has gone completely bananas in all that time is it?



Trump won because he told the idiots who believed him a pack of lies.

That's what he does to everybody, all the time - he tells lies - I doubt he believes them himself.

That's how he is, that's his way.

You'd think some would have remembered his promises from the last time he became President - where's the wall he was going to build (and Mexico would pay for it) for instance?

Of course his zombified disciples haven't!

Will he make the economy better for them?

Well trade sanctions will make imports more expensive, and retaliatory sanctions against the USA will make their exports more expensive to buy too.

Would Donald Trump’s taxes on trade hurt US consumers?
(The answer is YES).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20myx1erl6o

If he introduces labour reforms like Musk wants, then workers wages and employment conditions will fall.

Yes he could drill baby, drill, and reduce power costs but that's going to fuck the planet up even more.

You might well be a climate denier 63 but that doesn't change the science and now clearly observable facts that the planets climate is changing for the worse, year after year now.

Maybe he will stop helping Ukraine - he keeps saying the USA gives them billions but is that actually true?

Well it isn't really if you understood the way it all works.

In simple terms everybody is in an arms race, new and better weapons are created all the time.

So what do you do with all the weapons you have that are no longer modern enough for your army?

What America has done is given Ukraine billions in theory (they've not put billions of dollars on a plane and flown it to Kyiv - the money has always remained in the USA), for the Ukraine to purchase arms from the US and other western countries to buy stuff better than Ukraine has BUT NOT the good stuff we have.

With the money the USA is being paid for their obsolete equipment, they are re-spending on updating their weapons to the newest modern equipment - and in doing so creating new American jobs in the armaments industry.

The same is happening with the money Ukraine spends on arms from other western countries in that they too are all selling off their old gear to Ukraine and buying the new stuff from America.

So in a sense America has ploughed billions of dollars into its armament industries, and have modernised their weaponry in doing so (and much of NATO's as well).

Yes the USA could have not given anything to Ukraine but then would either have had to spend billions anyway on upgrading all their weapons (to keep pace with what China is doing) or fall behind China in weaponry and technology - and not have a boom in employment in their own armament industries.

Country's make money in wars - look at China and India now for example  (cheap oil and gas from Russia, massive sales of everything else in return), America is doing so to, in its way.


As for wokeism, I'm as sick of it as you are but wokeism isn't about being paid a fair days pay for a fair days work, or giving and showing respect to others and if you want to do away with things like that then where will it end?

God help you if you really do want a society to live in without basic civil rights.

As for Badenoch, she's got problems internally with Braverman, Jenrick and Respect to resolve before she can move forward meaningfully.

Amazing isn’t it that ver 72 million Americans are idiots, bigots and racists according to Sluffy for voting for Donald. Actually they didn’t vote for Donald they voted for common sense policies that actually affect all their lives and to begin the removal of the damaging, ridiculous, woke atrocities that the left have been inflicting on them for the last four years. Strange how more women, black men, Hispanic and most notably the young voted for Trump in droves. This wasn’t just a win it was a decimation of the atrocious nonsense they’ve been forced to swallow in recent years. 

The West has hobbled itself with this woke, virtue signalling madness over the last decade, crippling our businesses and inflicting costs on our populations through totally impractical policies. The West is finally waking up to the damage these over liberal governments have done to our way old life whilst the rest of the world takes advantage. They’ve been conned by the likes of China, Russia and India who have completely played us over our woke net zero commitments by continuing to increase use of fossil fuels whilst we destroy our industries by following totally impractical and damaging net zero policies. Hopefully the message sent by the USA with this victory by Trump will be the turning point for the West to accept the damage they’ve done. It’s time for the left to step back and for common sense to return and what an opportunity for Badenoch to begin the turnaround and show the brainwashed numpties on the left they’re fired.

I must be missing something - what woke "atrocities"?

Atrocity
noun

An extremely wicked or cruel act, typically one involving physical violence or injury.

What physical violence or injuries has woke done?



Please supply examples of such.


And Global warming is certainly nothing to do with wokeism - it is a proven scientific fact if you accept it or chose to be in denial of it.

The choice the planet has it to do something about it now and mitigate how bad it will be in the future or ignore it and not worry how humanity manages to deal with it at the end of this century onwards.

This is what the general understanding of wokeism is -

Woke, the African-American English synonym for the General American English word awake, has since the 1930s or earlier been used to refer to awareness of social and political issues affecting African Americans, often in the construction stay woke. Beginning in the 2010s, it came to be used to refer to a broader awareness of social inequalities such as racial injustice, sexism, and denial of LGBT rights. Woke has also been used as shorthand for some ideas of the American Left involving identity politics and social justice, such as white privilege and reparations for slavery in the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke

Woke is about...

Progressive or left-wing attitudes or practices, esp. those opposing social injustice or discrimination, that are viewed as doctrinaire, self-righteous, pernicious, or insincere. Hence: such attitudes or practices seen as constituting a collective social movement or agenda.
https://www.oed.com/dictionary/wokeism_n?tl=true#:~:text=2015%E2%80%93-,Progressive%20or%20left%2Dwing%20attitudes%20or%20practices%2C%20esp.,woke%20adj.


To put it simply for you it is about stuff like...

Awareness of social inequalities such as racial injustice, sexism, and denial of LGBT rights, white privilege and reparations for slavery in the United States.

That generally should be fair and reasonable to everyone I would have thought - I look at it as seeking equality for all - what's wrong with that?

I draw the line at reparations - I can't be held to account for something my great, great, great, great grandfather my have done to someone else's great, great, great, great grandfather 200 years or so ago.  

Even laws have statues of limitation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_limitations#:~:text=A%20statute%20of%20limitations%2C%20known,legal%20proceedings%20may%20be%20initiated.

Anyway how on earth has seeking for equality caused "atrocities"?

And fwiw...

Whitesince63 wrote:Strange how more women, black men, Hispanic and most notably the young voted for Trump in droves

NONE OF THAT IS TRUE

Harris received more votes than Trump from women (54% to 44%), blacks (86% to 12%), Hispanics (53% to 45%) and the young (18 to 29 year olds) (55% to 42%) see source below -




What you actually mean was that the number of people who voted for Harris in these categories fell from what Biden attained in 2020 (think of it as say someone holding on to their seat with a reduced majority for instance).

- Trump has cut into the Democrats’ lead with women – which was 15 points last time, but just 8 points today.

- Trump has gained with young voters, particularly those aged 18 to 29 years, slashing the Democrat lead from 24 points to 11 points

Trump won the election without needing the help of picking up the increased votes in these four categories but it does show a shift away from Harris BUT not necessarily due to policies - Obama believed that black men did not want to be seen voting for a woman for instance -

Barack Obama calls on more black men to vote for Kamala Harris

Ahead of a campaign speech in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Barack Obama said some men "just aren't feeling the idea of having a woman as president... I've got a problem with that".

"We have not seen the same kinds of energy and turnout in all quarters of our neighbourhoods and communities as we saw when I was running," Mr Obama said.

"Now, I also want to say that seems to be more pronounced with the brothers."

He went on to suggest some men "just aren't feeling the idea of having a woman as president", and added: "You're coming up with all kinds of reasons and excuses. I've got a problem with that."

He then said: "You're thinking about sitting out or supporting somebody who has a history of denigrating you, because you think that's a sign of strength, because that's what being a man is?

"Putting women down? That's not acceptable."

https://news.sky.com/story/barack-obama-calls-on-more-black-men-to-vote-for-kamala-harris-13231766

This cultural misogyny could also explain this too

- Democrats had a huge margin of 23 per cent among Latino men in 2020 – but Trump is now leading by 12 points among these voters.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-six-charts-that-explain-trumps-decisive-us-presidential-election-win


Be honest, you don't understand what woke is and you certainly did not understand what you've been hearing on GB News about the voting statistics - have you!

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