Donald Trump for President of the USA

It's good to get things off your chest.

It is, apparently, a great day for George Floyd. What a monumental prick.

boltonbonce wrote:It is, apparently, a great day for George Floyd. What a monumental prick.

What a wanker, but to be fair, at least he's consistent.

Scary.

The man is a grade A fuckwit 

https://time.com/5855066/trump-aids-vaccine-fact-check/

Norpig wrote:The man is a grade A fuckwit 

https://time.com/5855066/trump-aids-vaccine-fact-check/

Indeed. According to the new John Bolton book, he didn't know Britain was a nuclear power, and thought Finland was part of Russia.

Every president has script writers, a Press Officer and a whole department dedicated to getting the message right, so WTF is going on with Trump? 
Is it simply a case of him being a loose cannon and going off message at every available opportunity - or are his staff responsible for this nonsense? Surely they have fact-checkers by the dozen?
Or is it a third more worrying option i.e. deliberately making stuff up in the full knowledge that it's bullshit and knowing that those who want to believe it will believe it anyway? And knowing that there is next to zero chance of being pulled up for it in this day and age?

False accusations, lying, demonising the media, polarising opinion and the "they would say that" tribalist counter-argument seem to be the norm these days - on both sides of the Atlantic. 
There's just no accountability.

wanderlust wrote:Every president has script writers, a Press Officer and a whole department dedicated to getting the message right, so WTF is going on with Trump? 
Is it simply a case of him being a loose cannon and going off message at every available opportunity - or are his staff responsible for this nonsense? Surely they have fact-checkers by the dozen?
Or is it a third more worrying option i.e. deliberately making stuff up in the full knowledge that it's bullshit and knowing that those who want to believe it will believe it anyway? And knowing that there is next to zero chance of being pulled up for it in this day and age?

False accusations, lying, demonising the media, polarising opinion and the "they would say that" tribalist counter-argument seem to be the norm these days - on both sides of the Atlantic. 
There's just no accountability.

 There's a very good documentary on Sky docs called After Truth, think you would enjoy it Lusty and Boncey

Norpig wrote:
 There's a very good documentary on Sky docs called After Truth, think you would enjoy it Lusty and Boncey

Cheers - I'll check that out.

Trump's move to repatriate hundreds of thousands of "dreamer" generation immigrants ruled illegal by US Supreme Court.


The interesting thing about this is that the Supreme Court has a right wing majority since Trump made 3 new appointments to tip the balance in his favour. But they ruled against him here so he will not be a happy bunny - doubly so seeing as he rigged the game and still lost.

10 allegations about Trump in John Bolton's book

No doubt Bolton will be demonised and attacked from every angle but the cat is already out of the bag. I think Bolton is a cock, but sad to say he is more believable than the most powerful man in the world - IMO.

wanderlust wrote:Trump's move to repatriate hundreds of thousands of "dreamer" generation immigrants ruled illegal by US Supreme Court.


The interesting thing about this is that the Supreme Court has a right wing majority since Trump made 3 new appointments to tip the balance in his favour. But they ruled against him here so he will not be a happy bunny - doubly so seeing as he rigged the game and still lost.

I think he prays every night for the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg. She's come close recently, but battles on. She'll outstay Trump.

Anyone who looks like Mr Pastry can't be taken seriously.

gloswhite wrote:Anyone who looks like Mr Pastry can't be taken seriously.

I hope all the Carrs pasty lovers are taking note!

gloswhite wrote:Anyone who looks like Mr Pastry can't be taken seriously.

I used to love Mr Pastry. I took him very seriously.  

wanderlust wrote:Trump's move to repatriate hundreds of thousands of "dreamer" generation immigrants ruled illegal by US Supreme Court.


The interesting thing about this is that the Supreme Court has a right wing majority since Trump made 3 new appointments to tip the balance in his favour. But they ruled against him here so he will not be a happy bunny - doubly so seeing as he rigged the game and still lost.

Welcome back Lusty... It was a 5-4 decision, with two of his appointees backing him.  The Chief Justice, was appointed by another Republican, George Bush, and he was the deciding vote.  This by no means is a finite ruling, rather one that sent it back for clarity to make it legal.  Gorusch was one of two appointments, and he and the Chief Justice went against Trump in the LGBTQ case this week, backing the rights of all.  The alleged rapist and alcoholic Kavanaugh was Trump's other pick for the high court and he voted with Trump in both of these cases.

observer wrote:
Welcome back Lusty... It was a 5-4 decision, with two of his appointees backing him.  The Chief Justice, was appointed by another Republican, George Bush, and he was the deciding vote.  This by no means is a finite ruling, rather one that sent it back for clarity to make it legal.  Gorusch was one of two appointments, and he and the Chief Justice went against Trump in the LGBTQ case this week, backing the rights of all.  The alleged rapist and alcoholic Kavanaugh was Trump's other pick for the high court and he voted with Trump in both of these cases.

Howdy Obs! 
Trump must be hurting over this. I wonder if anyone has analysed the turnover of Trump appointees? Can he sack SC members until he gets the yes men he wants like he does with every other position or is he stuck with these guys now?
I seem to remember SC appointees are for life, not just for Christmas, but I might be wrong.

boltonbonce wrote:
I used to love Mr Pastry. I took him very seriously.  

It's uncanny. Always wondered what happened to Mr Pastry and have to admit that National Security Adviser for the USA was not what I expected at all. 
Which leaves me wondering if Charlie Drake and Harry Worth will hold on to their senior roles in the Trump administration?

wanderlust wrote:
Howdy Obs! 
Trump must be hurting over this. I wonder if anyone has analysed the turnover of Trump appointees? Can he sack SC members until he gets the yes men he wants like he does with every other position or is he stuck with these guys now?
I seem to remember SC appointees are for life, not just for Christmas, but I might be wrong.

Unfortunately you are not wrong.  SC appointees are for life... unless impeached.  Now Kavanaugh (his latest appointee and alleged rapist and drunk) lied to Congress during his hearing, but there are not enough votes in the Senate to convict him.  Trump just spins everything, lies about anything and everything, and has shredded the U.S. Constitution in the process... having enablers in the Justice Department and in the Republican controlled Senate.