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Sluffy your question was “ If Jaskeleinen has been our best ever keeper, who has been our second?”
Both Jussi and Hoppy are have BEENS, so why are you trying to dismiss Hoppy as having BEEN our best after Jussi. Whether he would or wouldn’t be capable of playing in today’s game is irrelevant and given his height I agree with you, it’s probably certain that he wouldn’t get signed today but you can’t take away what he did in an era far more physical than today. As usual it’s all about opinions and in mine Jussi and Hoppy were head and shoulders above any others we’ve had since.
I'm sorry I started all this in the first place!
Clearly most people simply can't grasp my original point so I'll try and explain it again.
My question was basically rank our keepers in order of being the best - yes?
When you rank people you do it in order, best first, next best second and so on - yes?
So my definition how can you put someone who wouldn't be able to get in to todays teams as first or second?
If he couldn't possibly get in the team now it clearly must mean that the current incumbents have got to be better than him - otherwise he would be in the team!
It's as simple as that.
You/others can't say someone wouldn't get in the team these days because of his lack of height but is a better keeper than the one in the team now because that's a direct contradiction of what you are saying!
He's either good enough to play now at 5ft 8 inches tall or he's NOT good enough to play now because he's ONLY 5ft 8 inches tall.
If it's the latter then by definition whoever is in the team now must be ranked higher than him simply because (if you allow the pun) the goalposts have been shifted and shorter keepers like Hopkinson was could no longer compete in the current era.
Jussi has only recently retired so he clearly could play in this era, Al-Habsi has just retired so he clearly could to and Matthews who played for us last season is still in the game - so by your own admission if Hopkinson couldn't then there MUST be at least three players better than him!
I'm not taking away how wonderful he was in his own generation, I'm not disrespecting what he achieved for England and our club, I'm not trash talking many people's favourite, I'm simply saying if you ranked the players as to who is the best - and at least THREE players can and have got into Bolton teams that physically Hopkinson could not, then he simply can not be one of the two best keepers we EVER had.