Was Coyle that bad?

MartinBWFC wrote:The one thing that Coyle lacked is a football brain, and was never going to achieve anything with the stooges he had around him, Gartside is as much to blame for blatantly giving him more time than he deserved though.

That's down to the "Bolton factor". If Coyle had never played for Bolton he'd have gone a lot sooner.

We should probably have another thread: "Is Gartside that bad?" After all, if it were up to him, we'd still have Coyle..

Keegan wrote:We should probably have another thread: "Is Gartside that bad?" After all, if it were up to him, we'd still have Coyle..

Have I missed something? I thought Gartside sacked Coyle.

The rumours were Gartside was willing to keep Coyle if he agreed to have Sammy Lee step up to be his assistant.

But apparently Eddie Davies stepped in and brought it all down.

Obviously that might be complete crap! But thats what i read on, i think the BN.

Keegan wrote:We should probably have another thread: "Is Gartside that bad?" After all, if it were up to him, we'd still have Coyle..

Good idea - I've just done it.

I'll expect my cheque in the mail.

But how many were dancing with joy when OC was brought in? ..... seemed like the majority.....so all where fooled.

I wasn't against it but I'm on record for years that we need a foreign manager.....I still hold that opinion even with the Doog.

And of course I blame SKD for the whole thing

A foreign manager? What made you come to that conclusion?

I thought Coyle and Freedman were foreigners.

xmiles wrote:I thought Coyle and Freedman were foreigners.

Nope they are British!!!

bwfc71 wrote:

xmiles wrote:I thought Coyle and Freedman were foreigners.

Nope they are British!!!

Wait for the referendum in 2014.

The majority of Scots are proud to be British, only the Irish immigrants want Scottish independence. So anyone hoping Scotland will be leaving the union are set to be disappointed in 2014.

I believe that a foreign manager with no ties or knowledge of BWFC is the only way to truly change our style. Hoofball is not acceptable in Spain/Italy etc.... with that half of the team would be long gone including SKD, Zat and others who can't pass a ball.

Can't be done? look at Wigan as an example.......

OC was supposed to be doing this but was unable to identify a footballer.....jury out on Doogie for the moment...but he does seem to be putting the donkeys back in the team and after the Brighton display I think a concern or two is in order.

xmiles wrote:

bwfc71 wrote:

xmiles wrote:I thought Coyle and Freedman were foreigners.

Nope they are British!!!

Wait for the referendum in 2014.

Its a pity us English are not allowed to vote, to be fair, then they would become foreigners!!! As it is the Referendum, as mentioned, will not bring about a change.

terenceanne wrote:I believe that a foreign manager with no ties or knowledge of BWFC is the only way to truly change our style. Hoofball is not acceptable in Spain/Italy etc.... with that half of the team would be long gone including SKD, Zat and others who can't pass a ball.

Can't be done? look at Wigan as an example.......

OC was supposed to be doing this but was unable to identify a footballer.....jury out on Doogie for the moment...but he does seem to be putting the donkeys back in the team and after the Brighton display I think a concern or two is in order.

What a load of rubbish. What connections does Freedman have with Bolton? Nobody could turn our current crop into a good passing side, the whole team is too poor.

Which Donkeys are back in the team? Knights been our best defender by all accounts.

There are plenty of foreign managers who have come over and been shit, its naive to assume that they're all passing football gurus, capable of turning the likes of Bolton into Barcelona.

Your point about Wigan shows how good a manager Martinez is, not foreign managers as a whole. By your logic DF will lead us to glory because he is Scottish and so is Fergie.

bwfc1874 wrote:

What a load of rubbish. What connections does Freedman have with Bolton? Nobody could turn our current crop into a good passing side, the whole team is too poor.

Which Donkeys are back in the team? Knights been our best defender by all accounts.

There are plenty of foreign managers who have come over and been shit, its naive to assume that they're all passing football gurus, capable of turning the likes of Bolton into Barcelona.

Your point about Wigan shows how good a manager Martinez is, not foreign managers as a whole. By your logic DF will lead us to glory because he is Scottish and so is Fergie.

I agree with terenceanne to an extent. Freedman has come in and instantly fallen into the same trap as Owen Coyle - different team every week, certain players dropped from the squad for no reason, same personnel in defence, Mark Davies picked at all costs.

A foreign manager with no knowledge of BWFC would have been less likely to follow the Coyle book of football management.

By the way, Zat Knight may well have been our best defender, that doesn't make him a good defender. He's rubbish and giving him a new contract must rank alongside paying £11m for Johan Elmander in terms of BWFC cock-ups.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

bwfc1874 wrote:

What a load of rubbish. What connections does Freedman have with Bolton? Nobody could turn our current crop into a good passing side, the whole team is too poor.

Which Donkeys are back in the team? Knights been our best defender by all accounts.

There are plenty of foreign managers who have come over and been shit, its naive to assume that they're all passing football gurus, capable of turning the likes of Bolton into Barcelona.

Your point about Wigan shows how good a manager Martinez is, not foreign managers as a whole. By your logic DF will lead us to glory because he is Scottish and so is Fergie.

I agree with terenceanne to an extent. Freedman has come in and instantly fallen into the same trap as Owen Coyle - different team every week, certain players dropped from the squad for no reason, same personnel in defence, Mark Davies picked at all costs.

A foreign manager with no knowledge of BWFC would have been less likely to follow the Coyle book of football management.

By the way, Zat Knight may well have been our best defender, that doesn't make him a good defender. He's rubbish and giving him a new contract must rank alongside paying £11m for Johan Elmander in terms of BWFC cock-ups.

Mark Davies is our best and only attacking midfielder, he should play and any manager who wants to play passing football would have him in the side as he's one of few who know how to keep the ball.

Regardless of how poor we all think Zat Knight is, on current form he warrants a starting place?

Coyle's problem wasn't a different team every week, it was keeping the same team every week regardless of results, performances and opposition!

A foreign manager would be no better equipped to turn us into a good side, the notion that foreign managers are better than British ones is a load of rubbish, Dougie's as good a manager on paper as we could of got in at this point, I'd rather him than that Solbakken at Wolves for instance.

DF's not picking the team based on any previous connections with the club, it's obvious he's doing it on his own judgement, rightly or wrongly.

bwfc1874 wrote:

Mark Davies is our best and only attacking midfielder, he should play and any manager who wants to play passing football would have him in the side as he's one of few who know how to keep the ball.

I'm not debating that really, although last season he was pretty dire in my opinion.

My point is that Mavies doesn't fit into what would be our strongest team/formation.....too many times Coyle picked Mavies first and them created 10 players around him, desperate to find a place for him.

I have no doubt Freedman will pick Pratley in the Mavies role tonight, I wish to God he'd be brave and pick Spearing & Andrews with Eagles & Petrov on the wing.

Mavies fits perfectly into a 4-2-3-1 as the man behind the striker, Coyle's biggest problem was not realising that and putting him in a 4-4-2, which is a waste of time you're right.

Hope he doesn't play pratley the guy really is a joke (thanks again Owen) I' like to see the four players you mention too, can't see it though!

bwfc1874 wrote:Mavies fits perfectly into a 4-2-3-1 as the man behind the striker, Coyle's biggest problem was not realising that and putting him in a 4-4-2, which is a waste of time you're right.

Hope he doesn't play pratley the guy really is a joke (thanks again Owen) I' like to see the four players you mention too, can't see it though!

Yeah, I just want to go out there and try and win the game. Two defensive midfielders stops teams walking through us, but gives licence to the wingers to push forward - and if we had Ngog & Sordell upfront I really think we'd score a few goals.

I have no doubt he will pick Kevin Davies though.