Who are you voting for in the General Election?

Thank goodness for an honest and genuine government!!

Absolutely brilliant that bonce, what a tragedy that you’re not allowed to create comedy like that now? The crazy thing is it’s so relevant to today.

Whitesince63 wrote:Absolutely brilliant that bonce, what a tragedy that you’re not allowed to create comedy like that now? The crazy thing is it’s so relevant to today.

Relevant AND funny. Makes its point while still leaving you with a smile.

Yes bonce and it does go to show that you can still write good comedy without insulting people or those with disabilities. Sadly we seem to have lost the art and everything offends someone in our new virtue signalling world.

Virtue signalling world???

I'm really glad I don't live in your world W63.

Unfortunately the real world the rest of us live in, is the one where people are treated unfairly because they are poor, disabled or because of their skin colour...

Tories took £5m from Hester days before election called

The Conservative Party accepted a further £5m donation from the businessman Frank Hester days before the general election was called in May.

The donation was taken two months after he was accused of making racist comments about the Labour MP Diane Abbott.

In March, claims emerged that Mr Hester had told staff at a meeting in 2019 that Abbott made him "want to hate all black women" and "should be shot".

At the time, the then Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said the comments were "racist" and "wrong" but made it clear that the party would not return Mr Hester’s money.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1m0mnrnlrno


Can't see him voting for Kemi Badenoch in the Conservative election (can't see you doing so either...)




Oh and talking about the art of loss comedy, you must be missing stuff like this...

It was making a mockery of racism, racists and bigotry. That was the whole point.

And it was funny in the process. A win win for us lefties.



Writer Johnny Speight often commented that the character was supposed to be a figure of ridicule, but admitted that not all viewers saw the satirical elements of the character. Speight defended the Alf Garnett character, saying: "If you do the character correctly, he just typifies what you hear - not only in pubs but in golf clubs around the country. To make him truthful he's got to say those things, and they are nasty things. But I feel as a writer that they should be out in the open so we can see how daft these comparisons are."

boltonbonce wrote:It was making a mockery of racism, racists and bigotry. That was the whole point.

And it was funny in the process. A win win for us lefties.



Writer Johnny Speight often commented that the character was supposed to be a figure of ridicule, but admitted that not all viewers saw the satirical elements of the character. Speight defended the Alf Garnett character, saying: "If you do the character correctly, he just typifies what you hear - not only in pubs but in golf clubs around the country. To make him truthful he's got to say those things, and they are nasty things. But I feel as a writer that they should be out in the open so we can see how daft these comparisons are."

No point trying to explain anything to Sluffy bonce, he lacks the intellect to understand satire.

I already knew that the character was a parody of real racists but many people then (and the likes of W63 today) felt that he was saying what many people believed to be true but were fearful of saying themselves - that the blacks and pakis should go home - now it is immigrants - as evidenced by the recent riots across the country, following the Southport killings.

Many people (far too many) are racist - and on the other side of the coin too many people play the race card as an excuse to get away with things they shouldn't be doing.

That's how society is - we are moving faster as faster to extremes.

God above look how it is in the USA - Trump who well may be the President in November stokes up racial hatred - the Proud Boys and such like when he was POTUS and now the 'eating cats and dogs' he spouted a few days back.

Taking just one view at the way you look at everything is often not right (myopic) - and that's what we have more and more of such as W63 for example.

He firmly believes he's not a racist but his total belief in what he says simply contradicts that.

There is always a middle way and that is what we should all be striving for - but for some reason we don't seem to do that anymore.

We should be looking for solutions not looking for someone to blame everything on.

Doesn't seem we've learnt very much since Al Garnett's days does it?

Where's my bloody cat!?

Anybody manage to watch free gear Keirs speech at the conference today and stay awake? God he is so boring and don’t you just love the smug faces in the audience always ready to loudly applaud the never to be delivered promises. What a naive bunch. I suppose with the Tory’s being so abysmal we had to endure a term for labour if only to show the under fifties what they missed under a real Labour government in the 70s. Thankfully one term will be all it takes to prove what a disaster they are and how even a wrecked economy can still be damaged more. Mind you they’ve already shown in eleven weeks what we’ve got to expect. More sleaze, incompetent financial management and a party ruled by the unions and lefties. How long shall we give Mr Charisma before he’s ousted by Rayners lot? I reckon he’ll see out this year but not much more.

Before the election



After the election

So Labour have just shelled out £500m to Tata to shed 3,000 good well paid jobs in Port Talbot by replacing their coal fired furnace with an electric arc furnace which can’t produce virgin steel so that guess what, Tata can now build a new coal fired furnace in their Indian plant. The nurses have now rejected the pay offer previously agreed in principle with the Tory’s so they can dip their hands in the trough and now the lawyers are also threatening to down tools for a big pay rise. All this whilst that wanker Milliband concentrates on wasting £8bn on the non entity quango that is British Energy whilst refusing new licences for NS Oil. Twelve weeks in and they’re already wrecking the economy, losing jobs and involved in obvious sleazy deals with donors. This is the party of renewal and trust is it? Like I’ve always said, however bad the Torys are you can count on Labour to be even worse. The best thing is the carnage hasn’t even started yet, we’ve got 5 years of this bunch of clowns to come.

Have all these things just happened?

Where do you think Labour inherited all these issues from considering they've not been in power for 14 years and the Conservatives have?

Should the nurses work for peanuts in the NHS or go private and end up costing the NHS millions having to hire them as agency staff because no one wants to work for NHS wages anymore?

As for the Lawyers, if you've never read the book Secret Barrister, which explains the world of the (criminal) law from the inside, then I suggest you have zero idea what you are talking about in respect of their claims and what is needed to repair the legal system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Barrister

As for Steel it is a complex issue - put simply national steel production is vital to the country's defence strategy (if we can't produce the steel, we can't build the arms, tanks, planes, ships, etc to defend ourselves.

The issue is we can't produce it economically because China has flooded the world market with cheap steel produced by their government subsidising its production - the aim is to wreck every other nations steel capacity manufacturers - hence why Trump started up the trade war with China inflicting massive tarrifs on their goods (particularly steel production).

Steel of course is the basis of all goods manufactured cars, buildings, construction industry - not just national defence requirements.

You could argue that the government should open new coal mines and drill for more oil and wave two fingers at global warming and the future of our planet - in order to have the power required to make steel (and everything else) but the truth is that burning fossil fuels has already negatively impacted on the worlds climate and is exponentially increasingly continuing to do so.

Therefore the dilemma is to simply cease making steel in the UK (and hope we never have to defend ourselves or others in the future) - the consequences of which would mean ALL steel workers losing their jobs, or modernise the plant - which is basically what the Tata is doing and the decision of the government to subsidise this change was made by...

wait for it...

THE CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT you wally.

Tata Steel: Workers braced for bad news on job losses

17 January 2024

Tata has committed to transitioning to a greener form of steelmaking, which will reduce emissions and stem financial losses from its existing operations.

It has received UK government support to build a new type of furnace which uses renewable electricity rather than fossil fuels to power the melting of scrap steel.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-68005840#:~:text=Unions%20claimed%20the%20company%20was,largest%20steelworks%20in%20Port%20Talbot.




I don't wish to be rude to you W63 but frankly you simply don't know what you are talking about most of the time and seem to base your views entirely on right wing lies, half-truths and completely fake news.

You could argue that the government should open new coal mines and drill for more oil and wave two fingers at global warming and the future of our planet - in order to have the power required to make steel (and everything else) but the truth is that burning fossil fuels has already negatively impacted on the worlds climate and is exponentially increasingly continuing to do so.

Just to evidence this statement I made above - from todays news -

Europe’s deadly floods are glimpse of future climate

Central Europe's devastating floods were made much worse by climate change and offer a stark glimpse of the future for the world's fastest-warming continent, scientists say.

Storm Boris has ravaged countries including Poland, the Czech Republic, Romania, Austria and Italy, leading to at least 24 deaths and billions of pounds of damage.

The World Weather Attribution (WWA) group said one recent four-day period was the rainiest ever recorded in central Europe - an intensity made twice as likely by climate change.

The kind of rainfall unleashed by Boris is thankfully still rare – expected to occur about once every 100-300 years in today’s climate, which has warmed by about 1.3C due to greenhouse gas emissions.

But if warming reaches 2C, similar episodes will become an extra 5% more intense and 50% more frequent, the WWA warned.

Without more ambitious climate action, global warming is expected to reach around 3C by the end of the century.

“This is definitely what we will see much more of in the future,” said Friederike Otto, senior lecturer in climate science at Imperial College London and co-author of the WWA study.

"[It] is the absolute fingerprint signature of climate change [...] that records are broken by such a large margin."

Europe is the fastest-warming continent. The last five years were on average around 2.3C warmer than the second half of the 19th Century, according to the Copernicus climate service.

This not only brings much more frequent and intense heatwaves, but also more extreme rainfall, particularly over north and central Europe.

The simplest reason for more intense rainfall in a hotter world is that a warmer atmosphere can hold more moisture – about 7% for every 1C. This extra moisture can lead to heavier rainfall.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn5zx2zx5xvo

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Thanks for the reply.

Wanderlust when he knows he's been proved unequivocally wrong simply disappears and never mentions the topic again (take note he does the same on ww too).

I've never understood why people like you and him do what you do - I mean it is the internet, no one knows you, and most think better of you if you simply just hold your hand up and just admit you got something wrong.

The Tata issue dates back to the Conservative governments agreement with Tata, Labour are just honouring the Tory commitment.

Bit of an own goal on what you said in your post above if I may say so.

Why not just admit you got it wrong - and a bigger question is why you believe what you wrote in your post in the first place?

Have you seen or read something that made you believe that to have actually been the case - that Labour was doing something wrong and stupid - because that's what I've been trying to tell you for the last few years - that you are believing lies, half-truths and fake news, rather than what the truth actually is.

It really isn't hard for you (or anyone else) to fact check much of the stuff you seem to believe without question.

You should try it sometime.

You'll be amazed what the truth actually is, and it is often nothing like what you've been led to believed all this time!

I feel that 63 is simply in denial.

karlypants wrote:I feel that 63 is simply in denial.

I think it is much worse than that.

I don't doubt W63 is a good bloke and believes in what he does - the thing is how does he get to the position in the first place?

I think he's just like millions (probably billions) of others who simply form their opinions from those around them, and who they listen too - and these days that usually means via social media or 'alternate' news media.

Take the recent example of Trump - he made an idiot of himself with his head to head with Harris the other day - blamed the hosts for being biased against him, when all they did was fact check his lies (immigrants eating cats and dogs - for instance).

Trump refuses to hold a second head to head unless it is held on Fox News (which is the equivalent of GB News) a right wing (loose with the facts) broadcaster.

He knows his lies will again be caught out anyplace else other than Fox.

Trump supporters watch Fox News and nothing else.

Fox news seems to be closely inline with Russia.

That should ring alarm bells - Russia controls what people see and here (and therefore believe) in Russia.

Anyway people are further influenced on social media many of which work via algorithms that lead you to more and more extreme views - people follow others of the same views and it just becomes an echo chamber, a confirmation bias - where everything else is blocked out and people believe in an alternative reality that they (like W63) now inhabit.

That's why I particularly wondered why W63 believed the Tata issue was Labours fault, even though it was high profile on the news only this year that the matter was one that the Conservative government had committed to.

I suspected somewhere very recently the story had been spun against Labour and W63 and thousands more, simply believed the lies without question.

He's been brainwashed, but he just can't see it.

That's the way the world is these days unfortunately.