Are You Too Good To Shelf Stack?

Great stuff.

You having a job should be an inspiration to all the jobless people out there.

If you can do it anyone can.

As I saw never been unemployed. I know people who mwere made redundant, from my old placer, over a year ago and still not found work, no matter how many they applay for - age, although is wrong, is against them, so is there experience levels. A couple of them have decided to retire early as they ahve enough until the official pension kicks in. I still cant belive the number of people they have reduced the office by - from 78 people down to 35!!!

bwfc71 wrote:I still cant belive the number of people they have reduced the office by - from 78 people down to 35!!!

But you count the same as 30 people fatty.

Bolton Hater wrote:

bwfc71 wrote:I still cant belive the number of people they have reduced the office by - from 78 people down to 35!!!

But you count the same as 30 people fatty.

That is the funniest thing you have ever stated on here. I hear your sister shouting and needs your attention!!! Ahem!

If I am classed as 30 people, then what are you, 10 coach loads???

I don't see a problem with someone taking a bit longer to seek a job in the industry they want.

But if it's becoming clear that isn't a reality and you're offered something a bit "less glamourous" I don't see why you wouldn't take it.

I've worked in loads of thankless retail jobs, a lot of them while studying, and a lot of them were shit, and a nightmare, but needs must.

Nothing wrong with people who work in supermarkets etc. they sell bread and milk to feed the masses. just like jesus without the ego.

Leeds_Trotter wrote:just like jesus without the ego.

I trust the Christian mods will step in.

I believe that people on long term (6 months or more), should do something, anything, to get them out and about. 30 years ago I bought myself out of the Army, (reenlisted 2 years later), and waited for someone to beat a path to my door, to offer me the best job in the whole world. (I had specialist skills at that time). Nothing happened, so after a fair few months I started seriously looking for a job. I wqrked in garages (filling cars), factories, etc. The problem for me was that whilst I was on benefits I changed my way of life, and mindset, to accommodate my situation. I had a really difficult time getting back into the work ethic, but personal pride and a realisation that it won't get better if I left it to chance, spuirred me on. It really isn't nice having to literally count every penny, just to survive.

I see no reason why people cannot volunteer for a charity, (there's enough of them needing help), and have that count towards a benefit check.. They will look better when applying for jobs, because the employer can see there is a willingness to work. It worked for me, and as we all know, its easier to get a new job whilst your working, (or volunteering), than saying your on benefits. There is still a stigma attached to that, which seems to be getting worse.

Incidentally, the one thing I learned over the years, is never to belittle a person for their job. They're doing the best they can to provide for themselves and their families, and none of us know when our easy life could take a nasty turn for the worse, and we could be in the same situation ourselves.

gloswhite wrote:I believe that people on long term (6 months or more), should do something, anything, to get them out and about. 30 years ago I bought myself out of the Army, (reenlisted 2 years later), and waited for someone to beat a path to my door, to offer me the best job in the whole world. (I had specialist skills at that time). Nothing happened, so after a fair few months I started seriously looking for a job. I wqrked in garages (filling cars), factories, etc. The problem for me was that whilst I was on benefits I changed my way of life, and mindset, to accommodate my situation. I had a really difficult time getting back into the work ethic, but personal pride and a realisation that it won't get better if I left it to chance, spuirred me on. It really isn't nice having to literally count every penny, just to survive.

I see no reason why people cannot volunteer for a charity, (there's enough of them needing help), and have that count towards a benefit check.. They will look better when applying for jobs, because the employer can see there is a willingness to work. It worked for me, and as we all know, its easier to get a new job whilst your working, (or volunteering), than saying your on benefits. There is still a stigma attached to that, which seems to be getting worse.

Fantastic post!

I believe in the welfare state in principle, but it's poorly managed and not in line with the original objectives. I can see that benefit levels equate roughly to low paid jobs and act as a disincentive to find work which is wrong. Net result is an untapped labour force that could be used to boost GDP, support communities and make things better for everyone, albeit potentially at the expense of other countries. If people are genuinely unable to work for health reasons, I sympathise and feel they should be taken care of from the communal pot. But there are tasks which can be undertaken by unskilled and semi-skilled workers that would benefit local communities (which is where the focus needs to be as transport is an issue) and if managed and organised properly could be suitably rewarded, improve the quality of life for everyone and enhance community spirit.
Unfortunately the pre-Thatcher community spirit was beaten out of most people leaving a population that predominantly doesn't give a fuck about anyone but themselves so any attempt to get people to do stuff for the community is likely to be resisted. To make it worthwhile, we need to be a lot smarter in how the benefits system is operated and in finding useful and productive things for folk to do in or near their own communities so they can see the impact of their efforts.
Recently worked with a Passiv Haus developer that used NEETS to build social housing in Scotland for example.

I have a thought for you to ponder. A lot of talk is made of the work shy and their career in benefit scrounging. We all hate the idea tat there are those out there who don't want to work and they just claim what they can BUT...

Even if all of those work shy people suddenly had a change of heart and they all really really wanted a job and sent ten applications each out there would still only be the same number of vacancies available and there are already too many people applying for them.

So, even if all the scroungers decided to have a great work ethic, there are still the smae number of jobs to go around, ie not enough, so there would still be exactly the same number of unemployed people.

I would do anything, to put food on the table for my family.

Does my last post make sense? Look at it like this...

For simplicity's sake.

There are 25 million people of working age in this country.

23 million of them are employed.

There are 1 million work shy scroungers who have no intention of applying for a job.

There are another 1 million unemployed people actively looking for work.

But there are only half a million jobs to available.

All of those jobs end up getting filled in the end. But at the same time a further half million people become unemployed.

There will always be 2 million people out of work - even if half of them are dossers.

If the dossers have a change of heart and start applying for jobs it doesn't mean that we will end up with less people on benefits.

Not so.

People can create their own jobs by spotting a gap in the market, or seeing something that they believe they can do better - and going for it.

Every company at one time had someone who started it - they create wealth for themselves and jobs for others.

Christ there are about 6 billion Chinese - do you think there are only so many jobs to go around for them - they will soon pass America to be the biggest economy in the world - and they won't have achieved that by having half the population sat on their arses waiting for the giro to turn up in the post.

Mr Magoo wrote:I would do anything, to put food on the table for my family.

What!!! even bend down in the showers

Having said that, if you get £65 a week as a job seeker then perhaps you should do 10 hours work a week. That way nobody can cry slave labour because it equates to 6.50 per hour. The government could get the companies to pay half of the money, thus saving paying the whole amount themselves. The country win. The company wins for getting half price workers.

Nobody can moan that they have to work 10 hours a week. Most people who really want a job will be glad of it if they are anything like me. When I was unemployed the thing I hated most was not having a job to go to.

They should scrap calling it job seekers allowance. It should be that if you are out of work you don't automatically go onto Job seekers. It should be that if you are out of work and unable to find a job within a month and you want some money coming in the government will assist you by offering you a Government Funded Work placement. People should see this as their safety net rather than free JSA money.

That's a great idea Biggie - The government should do this...

Banks of the Croal wrote:

Mr Magoo wrote:I would do anything, to put food on the table for my family.

What!!! even bend down in the showers

You wish you groomer.