Bolton 0-1 Cardiff City - FA Cup

bwfc1874 wrote:

Whitesince63 wrote:

bwfc1874 wrote:

Whitesince63 wrote:He's made over 20 signings, loan and permanent since he's been here and none of them work, in fact not one can consider themselves a regular first teamer other than through necessity. Bleating on about youth is now wearing very thin, recruiting for the future is bluff, we need action now not tomorrow. It's ok getting rid of our high earners but if you're only going to reinvest in crap what's the point? 

None of his signings work? None of them can consider themselves first teamers? Danns, Moritz, Beckford, Medo, Spearing, Baptiste, McNaughton, Dawson - Not one of these worked or could have considered themselves first teamers? 

This cliché of 'throw the youth in' is getting really old, if they're not ready (and we've seen nothing to suggest they are) then it's no good throwing them in yet. He's said himself he's expecting them to start coming through next season.

Recruiting for the future is a bluff? He's signed more youth team players in 15 months with us than I can recall Megson/Coyle doing throughout their combined tenure. The fact you won't acknowledge this because you want instant results only goes to show you don't know what you're talking about I'm afraid, players need time to develop.

74' if you're going to respond to a post then at least read it until you understand it. Secondly don't put things in there that weren't said. None of those players you named can consider themselves first choice because they spend as much time out of the team as in it. The simple fact is none of them are good enough. 

No problem signing kids for the years to come, any manager with the academy we have would do that. I didn't say throw untried and inexperienced young players in but in case you hadn't noticed, we are only just outside the bottom 3 and could well be in it before we next play at home. Next year isn't good enough we need players who can perform now so we stay up. I personally think we're in serious, serious danger of going down under Freedman. Sadly you're the kind who will allow it to happen with your pathetic, myopic illusion of him. Not me who doesn't know what he's talking about 74 and I'll have no pleasure in reminding you of that in Div 1 next year.

What have I put in there that wasn't in your post?

All of the above were or are regularly in the first team. If you don't think any of them are good enough, then I'd like to know who in our squad you think is?

Clearly Myopic is your favourite word at the moment, but Im not claiming Freedman's done a great job this season or that we aren't in a relegation fight. Im just a little more realistic about what our problems are than you. Stating that all of the above players aren't good enough is wrong IMO, and Im not sure how you can make a judgement like that when you've refused to see any games under Freedman.

Look 74, you and I will never agree on Freedman ok? You think you're realistic. Well realistic is opening your eyes to what's really happening which you clearly don't want to do. Just think of the players we had in the past and compare them to the dross we have now. No I don't think they're anywhere near good enough and I think our league position tells me that. I've seen plenty of Freedman's team thank you to know how bad they are, although I could be wrong and it may just be the incomprehensible tactics Freedman uses or his arrogant, unlikeable attitude, his lack of man management capability or his stubborn refusal to accept his selections don't work.

It could be any of these things but ultimately it doesn't matter because whatever it is it's getting worse and as long as he's here that's the way it will be. Anyway, just don't read my posts any more because we'll never agree on this or anything else.

Whitesince63 wrote: Just think of the players we had in the past and compare them to the dross we have now.

We had money and the lure of premiership football back then so it is silly of you to compare.

Whitesince63 wrote:No I don't think they're anywhere near good enough and I think our league position tells me that. 

So who in the squad is good enough?

We'd have had Wigan at home had we beat Cardiff. This could have been out year!

Culcheth_White wrote:

luckyPeterpiper wrote:

Culcheth_White wrote:It was a poor game today. There was nothing between the two sides. We were toothless in attack, which was expected. I'm not bothered that we're out of the cup to be honest, we don't have the squad at the moment for more games.

McNaughton seemed to be playing at left back for Cardiff today and he didn't look out of place. We really need to try and sort out a deal for him, as I think he's ideal for us.

I don't know why Dougie seems to be such a Joe Mason fan, he didn't do anything imo and Dougie would be better off looking at other potential strikers.

McNaughton won't come here. I'd like him to but it won't happen this season at least. 

Well, Cardiff are due to sign Fabio from Man U and I reckon we have a great chance of signing McNaughton.

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Culceth even if Cardiff get all the players this article lists it won't matter. We won't get McNaughton, the club will spout the drivel of 'we tried to do a deal but couldn't quite get it together in time' assuming they even bother to enquire. He might want to come here but mark my words, he won't, not unless it's in the summer and Cardiff are willing to loan him out again.

Mcnaughton is out of contract in the summer, so Cardiff can't loan him out again unless he signs a new deal.

Boggersbelief wrote:We'd have had Wigan at home had we beat Cardiff. This could have been out year!

I was thinking the same thing myself. The top four drawing each other will make it an interesting weekend.

Culcheth_White wrote:Mcnaughton is out of contract in the summer,  so Cardiff can't loan him out again unless he signs a new deal.

If that's the case it makes it even LESS likely we'll sign him now. Dougie will be told (in my opinion) to wait till the summer and take him as a free. I doubt we'll even do a pre-contract with McNaughton and it wouldn't surprise me at all if he winds up somewhere else because he's a pretty good player and I can see quite a few clubs at our level wanting him.

Am I glad I didn't go, FA cup and he puts out a team that at best maybe just mabe have scraped a win, then he plays the same old inffective formation, for christ sake this was the FA cup nothing to lose so go for it with the youngsters. I just dont understand the guys thinking at all, If theres a God he will be gone tomorrow.

Report: Bolton 0-1 Cardiff

IN BRIEF

Wanderers' exited the FA Cup with Budweiser at fourth round stage following a 1-0 defeat at home to Premier League outfit Cardiff City.

Following a goalless first half, the visitors proceeded to take the lead five minutes after the restart through substitute Fraizer Campbell who slotted home from close range after Andrew Lonergan lost his grip on the ball.

The Whites did throw men forward in a bid to rescue the tie, but their efforts were to prove fruitless as the Bluebirds held out to progress.

TEAM NEWS

Dougie Freedman made three changes to the side which started against Reading last time out, with Craig Davies, Medo and Chris Eagles coming into the first eleven in place of David Ngog, Darren Pratley and Mark Davies.

The visitors’ side also saw the inclusion of two former Wanderers loanees in the form of Kevin McNaughton and Joe Mason.

FIRST HALF

It was clear to see from the outset that both sides were keen to mark their territory early on, with Peter Whittingham threatening for the visitors while Davies and Neil Danns combined well inside four minutes.

Cardiff would enjoy the first real opportunity of the game however with seven minutes on the clock as both Mason and Aron Gunnarsson unleashed efforts which were blocked by the Bolton backline before Chung-Yong Lee smuggled the ball to safety.

Wanderers responded almost immediately though, with Eagles’ lofty ball into the area being cleared away by Ben Turner with Davies ready to pounce while the former’s shot from the resulting corner was deflected past the post.

The chance appeared to breathe life into the hosts as Danns played a beautifully crafted ball into the path of Eagles soon after, but the winger’s pull back eluded the advancing Bolton strike force.

Following a spurt of pressure, the tempo of the game appeared to lull somewhat with the majority of play taking place in the middle third of the pitch.

Chung-Yong Lee did unleash an ambitious effort from just outside the area with 20 minutes on the clock, but the South Korean’s shot flew just wide of the upright.

With the ascendancy falling in Cardiff’s favour after a period of frustration for both sides, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s side almost snatched the lead on the half hour mark as Mark Hudson’s header floated across the face of goal, but nobody was able to meet it to Wanderers’ relief.

As the half drew to its conclusion, Magnus Wolff Eikrem enjoyed a chance for the Bluebirds but couldn’t convert, while Chung-Yong spurned a glorious opportunity as he scuffed his shot through a crowded penalty area to ensure that the first period would end goalless.

SECOND HALF

Wanderers started the second period with gusto as Jay Spearing and Chung-Yong Lee combined to set up Davies for a free header, but the frontman was deemed to be offside.

No sooner had the Whites enjoyed an opportunity to take the lead however, Cardiff proceeded to open the scoring in fortuitous circumstances in the 50th minute as substitute Fraizer Campbell capitalised on a mistake from Andrew Lonergan before slotting the ball home from close range.

The goal had clearly given the Bluebirds a much needed confidence boost, with Wanderers visibly disappointed to find themselves behind following such a solid first half performance.

Campbell almost had his second of the game shortly after following chaos in the Bolton penalty area, but the striker’s header was well over the crossbar.

Having weathered a period of Cardiff pressure, Wanderers almost snatched an equaliser as Danns put David Marshall under the cosh as he forced the goalkeeper into a smart save following an impressive run.

Davies was next to test the Cardiff keeper as his shot deflected off Kevin Theophile-Catherine, but the shot stopper did well to prevent his effort from sneaking in at the near post.

Frustration was clearly setting in for the Whites as a solid Cardiff defence stood firm, but their prayers were almost answered as Marshall pulled off a superb reflex save to prevent Alex Baptiste’s curling shot which had taken a deflection off Turner finding the back of the net.

Sensing that the tide could be about to turn in Wanderers’ favour, Dougie Freedman proceeded to throw Andre Moritz and Sanmi Odelusi into the mix in a bid to pull his side level.

The introduction of the pair almost worked instant dividends as the former whipped a dangerous free-kick into the area, but Chung-Yong Lee was unable to get his header on target with the goal at his mercy.

As the clock ran down, Wanderers were left shouting for a penalty kick as Matt Mills went down inside the area but the referee was unmoved while Campbell almost put the result beyond doubt on the stroke of full time, but the striker's effort fizzed past the post.

Despite a late rally however, Wanderers' efforts to force a replay were to be in vain as the Bluebirds held out for the victory.

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Manager - A close contest

Dougie Freedman says he was pleased with his side’s application and attitude against Premier League outfit Cardiff City.

The Trotters were edged out in the FA Cup with Budweiser fourth round tie at the Reebok by a solitary Fraizer Campbell goal.

But despite the defeat, Freedman says he was proud of his side’s effort in more than matching the Bluebirds over the piece.

Speaking in his post-match press conference he said: “I thought that in the first half we were very compact and defended very well. It was a good response after last weekend.

“Going forward we created three or four half chances so we’ve got to try and take those. That’s a little bit disappointing.

“At half time Cardiff changed things up in an attempt to try and break us down. They were able to bring on two very good attacking players in Fraizer Campbell and Craig Noone. That was probably the difference today, when we got in and around their box we just didn’t quite have the quality to properly work their goalkeeper.

“Unfortunately, we made one error at the back and that was the only thing we really did wrong all game. I feel that was what proved decisive.

“We can’t single out Andrew Lonergan for the goal. He’s been outstanding since he came into the side, and in truth he didn’t really have a lot to do today.

“The game got a little bit scrappy in the second half, but all in all I’m very pleased with the spirit and the performance.

“We now look to the game on Tuesday at QPR. It’s exactly what we need right now.”



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Dougie looks a beaten man.

Boggersbelief wrote:

Whitesince63 wrote: Just think of the players we had in the past and compare them to the dross we have now.

We had money and the lure of premiership football back then so it is silly of you to compare.

Boggers, your nearly as bad as 74. I'm not talking about when we were in the Premiership I'm talking long before that. Look at the players we had before the PL even before BSA, they weren't on big money but they were class and we had managers in Rioch and Toddy who knew how to set up a team and play football. Freedman inherited a squad perfectly capable of challenging for promotion. of course one or two had to go but now we are in the process of losing any player of quality and replacing them with journeymen loanees. We're in decline and Freedman isn't the man to bring us out of it, in fact his inability is enhancing it. Dire football from dire players and a dire manager isn't what I want or will accept. Obviously you and 74 will.

I see Cardiff got a home tie against Wigan. Does that mean if we'd won yesterday, we'd have been playing Wigan at home in the 5th round?

Would have been a nice one.