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boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

I can honestly say,I don't know what the hell is going on. The picture looks bleak,but I'm living in hope.

scottjames30

scottjames30
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

We need Boggers.

boltonbonce

boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

To think,not so long ago we were drawing 2-2 in Munich. Now we're shitting bricks about a trip to Eastleigh.

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Breadman wrote:I might be being very naive now but if I were ED, I'd at the very least pay the non-footballing staff from my own pocket as a one off gesture, without prejudice and written off on the spot.

It's Christmas, FFS.

Guess that's why I'm not a captain of industry.

But I can sleep at night.
:clap:  This is how I felt when I posted just above.

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Chairmanda wrote:
scottjames30 wrote:I am starting to unlove the club i once loved, what horrible people running it.
I'm feeling less proud of being a Wanderer right now too, scott. To me, paying people what they are owed is not a nice to have, its not even integrity, its the least any company should do.
:agree:  It just pisses me off to know that some of those who work at the Reebok get a year what David Wheater get's every week.

The footballing world bubble is going to pop, something has to give and it is now becoming a domino effect so to speak with clubs going bust.

I feel sorry for the ordinary worker there, the whole thing is a complete and utter joke.

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Chairmanda wrote:Theres now talk of a £2m VAT bill outstanding, on top of the £600k PAYE also owed to taxman...I think I might stop reading this stuff till we have something definitive
Shocked

Bollotom2014

Bollotom2014
Andy Walker
Andy Walker

I heard total sum in the region of £3 Million so perhaps Manda is right to include VAT. But VAT from where. I thought VAT was only paid once a year. If the Trotters haven't paid there VAT for the last year it's no wonder HMRC are looking to wind us up.

Chairmanda

Chairmanda
Andy Walker
Andy Walker

Bollotom2014 wrote:I heard total sum in the region of £3 Million so perhaps Manda is right to include VAT. But VAT from where. I thought VAT was only paid once a year. If the Trotters haven't paid there VAT for the last year it's no wonder HMRC are looking to wind us up.
VAT is paid quarterly, and if you look at ticket sales alone, getting to £2m in a quarter is possible dependent on how season tickets are accounted for, but more likely to be 2 quarters behind. If a club in trouble, sometimes HMRC requires monthly payments.

Sluffy

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Chairmanda wrote:
Bollotom2014 wrote:I heard total sum in the region of £3 Million so perhaps Manda is right to include VAT. But VAT from where. I thought VAT was only paid once a year. If the Trotters haven't paid there VAT for the last year it's no wonder HMRC are looking to wind us up.
VAT is paid quarterly, and if you look at ticket sales alone, getting to £2m in a quarter is possible dependent on how season tickets are accounted for, but more likely to be 2 quarters behind. If a club in trouble, sometimes HMRC requires monthly payments.

We've already mortgaged off this seasons gate receipts iirc.


luckyPeterpiper

luckyPeterpiper
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

The non-playing staff MUST be paid for December or this club isn't WORTH saving. To leave people who make less in a year than our players make in a week penniless at Christmas is just totally unacceptable from any viewpoint.

Boggersbelief

Boggersbelief
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

I'm struggling to understand why ED is not keeping the club ticking over until the takeover is done. It's his duty. And to leave his staff unpaid and also choose to not pay the HRMC is shitty of him, as he has the money to do so.

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

totally agree with you Boggers, i said as much on another thread. He has gone from hero to zero over the last few weeks

p.s who's the avatar? I can't see her face  Very Happy

luckyPeterpiper

luckyPeterpiper
Ivan Campo
Ivan Campo

Boggersbelief wrote:I'm struggling to understand why ED is not keeping the club ticking over until the takeover is done. It's his duty. And to leave his staff unpaid and also choose to not pay the HRMC is shitty of him, as he has the money to do so.
Are you sure he has the money boggers? Not being combative, simply asking because of the sheer murkiness of all those holding companies and the like that appear to be behind him. Eddie had a highest published net worth of 96 million a few years back and yet he's apparently put nearly twice that much into the club. Where did that money all come from? 

My feeling is Eddie's desperate to get out (and it is just a feeling) and right now his head's in the sand. Why else did he spend so long insisting that a buyer had to keep Phil on as chairman? And why would you bring in another body to sell the club rather than take personal charge to get the deal done quickly unless you either don't understand the situation's severity OR it's not really your money on the line anymore. 

The stench around the finances of the club has been growing for several years, now it seems to be choking any chance of saving it. Someone needs to come clean and fast about who owns what and how much they want to let us move on and start afresh.

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It's because "St Eddie" doesn't actually give a shit about BWFC or the people who work for the club.

Someone mentioned the writing off of the debt to Boggers' mate Nixon on Twitter last night and his response was a simple one: "Don't fall for the £175 million crap."

He's made his money (or rather whoever's really in charge at Moonshift have) and he's throwing us to the wolves because if they retain ownership of the club any longer, it's going to start costing them money.

All this bullshit about him demanding an upfront payment of £10 to £15 million from potential new owners "to safeguard the future of the club" is a nonsense which proves my point in my view.

So long as he's still the owner, he's the one liable for paying bills and wages but the cheeky twat is still trying to get someone else to carry the can - This new money would cover any wages owed, the HMRC bill and God only knows what else is outstanding in terms of money owed by the club.

But he doesn't want to pay it, so he's trying to offload it to some other mug.

And in doing so, he's harming the prospects of a (much needed) speedy resolution.

It's the last throw of the dice from a greedy, deceitful owner who has proven over the course of the last ten days or so that he's happy to deal with convicted criminals if it means he gets what he wants and who doesn't give a shit about BWFC and its loyal staff.

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Norpig wrote:totally agree with you Boggers, i said as much on another thread. He has gone from hero to zero over the last few weeks

p.s who's the avatar? I can't see her face  Very Happy
You don't need her face. Very Happy

karlypants

karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Breadman wrote:It's because "St Eddie" doesn't actually give a shit about BWFC or the people who work for the club.

Someone mentioned the writing off of the debt to Boggers' mate Nixon on Twitter last night and his response was a simple one: "Don't fall for the £175 million crap."

He's made his money (or rather whoever's really in charge at Moonshift have) and he's throwing us to the wolves because if they retain ownership of the club any longer, it's going to start costing them money.

All this bullshit about him demanding an upfront payment of £10 to £15 million from potential new owners "to safeguard the future of the club" is a nonsense which proves my point in my view.

So long as he's still the owner, he's the one liable for paying bills and wages but the cheeky twat is still trying to get someone else to carry the can - This new money would cover any wages owed, the HMRC bill and God only knows what else is outstanding in terms of money owed by the club.

But he doesn't want to pay it, so he's trying to offload it to some other mug.

And in doing so, he's harming the prospects of a (much needed) speedy resolution.

It's the last throw of the dice from a greedy, deceitful owner who has proven over the course of the last ten days or so that he's happy to deal with convicted criminals if it means he gets what he wants and who doesn't give a shit about BWFC and its loyal staff.
:clap:

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Considering we don't know the facts, there's rather a lot of moral posturing and condemnation going on.

Saying that the staff should get paid is as motherhood and apple pie as it gets and there's really no need for it because we all know it's true.

Surely our concern should be about what we don't know?

After all we could be in the final stages of a takeover that removes the previous management, pays all outstanding debts and wages, invests in the team and moves the club forward.

There'll be plenty of time for lynchings and suicides once we know this is not the case, but everyone seems to be jumping the gun for now, based on what? The creative ramblings of media editors desperate for a story? Or more accurately, their individual embellishments to the same speculative story.

Come on - we're smart enough to know that sometimes there is smoke without fire. Not saying that's the case here, but we should at least wait until the truth emerges before we wade in with both feet.

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The problem is, it's very hard to believe a word that comes out of the club these days, Lusty.

On Nov 5th, they scoffed at the very notion of Administration and said everything was still ok.

A week later Gartside disappears and Trevor Birch arrives - definitely to "facilitate negotiations with parties interested in a teakeover" and not at all because he's a specialist in preparing football clubs for going into Administration, oh no, definitely not that - honest.

On the 25th of November we were told that a deal was "imminent" and would happen within "the next couple of days"

Well, it's Dec 9th now and (the possibility of HMRC securing a winding up petition in the next few days aside) not a lot has happened.

Oh, apart from Holdsworth being photographed inside the ground with a convicted fraudster sat next to him, let's not forget that.

According to the local press, the stumbling block appears to be that none of the potential investors meet with ED's criteria for success (whatever that means).

It's a mess and it doesn't look like this takeover is happening any time soon.

And time is the one thing we haven't got much of.

ED seems to be very good at dictating terms and time-scales at his micro level but he can't control HMRC and very soon, it'll be them in control, not him.

And then all bets are off.

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Breadman wrote:The problem is, it's very hard to believe a word that comes out of the club these days, Lusty.

On Nov 5th, they scoffed at the very notion of Administration and said everything was still ok.

A week later Gartside disappears and Trevor Birch arrives - definitely to "facilitate negotiations with parties interested in a teakeover" and not at all because he's a specialist in preparing football clubs for going into Administration, oh no, definitely not that - honest.

On the 25th of November we were told that a deal was "imminent" and would happen within "the next couple of days"

Well, it's Dec 9th now and (the possibility of HMRC securing a winding up petition in the next few days aside) not a lot has happened.

Oh, apart from Holdsworth being photographed inside the ground with a convicted fraudster sat next to him, let's not forget that.

According to the local press, the stumbling block appears to be that none of the potential investors meet with ED's criteria for success (whatever that means).

It's a mess and it doesn't look like this takeover is happening any time soon.

And time is the one thing we haven't got much of.

ED seems to be very good at dictating terms and time-scales at his micro level but he can't control HMRC and very soon, it'll be them in control, not him.

And then all bets are off.
It's a bag of shit no doubt, but I'm just saying we know nothing for sure so don't top yourself just yet.

You cite "what comes out of the club" as a source of information but that's not right is it?

What we hear doesn't come out of the club. It comes out of journos and I don't know how to break this to you gently but....

....they've been known to be economical with the truth before. Although I am sure there really is a London double decker bus on the moon and that woman's son was reincarnated as a fish finger.

Why let the truth get in the way of a good story?

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