You want to see what the West Ham fans think Of Sam Allardyce! His style of play is exactly, what West Ham fans don't want and he has spent a fortune on players like, Matt Jarvis, Andy Carroll, Modibo Maiga, Stewart Downing etc.doffcocker wrote:Pulis spent millions at Stoke. It's easy to look at what he did there and think, OK he did what was required of him, he must be a safe pair of hands. He only achieved what a lot of other managers could too, given those resources.
People do the same with Megson. Oh the football wasn't pretty, but at least he kept us up. So he fucking should. He spent millions.
Pulis is just one of those managers. Give him £40m to spend, he'll get you £10m worth of players. Can you think of one Stoke player from the last decade that's been sold for a decent profit?
He's basically EVERYTHING we don't need right now.
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61 Re: If Dougie were to go... Tue Oct 22 2013, 21:51
Culcheth_White
Andy Walker
62 Re: If Dougie were to go... Tue Oct 22 2013, 22:16
Reebok Trotter
Nat Lofthouse
Looking at the league table West Ham are not far off the bottom three.
63 Re: If Dougie were to go... Tue Oct 22 2013, 23:20
MartinBWFC
Ivan Campo
Interesting scenario, Hollowhead gets potted by Palace, Dougie goes back, Allardyce gets potted by West Ham, the dream reignites after Gartside goes crawling on all fours.
64 Re: If Dougie were to go... Wed Oct 23 2013, 07:59
Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
You jest, surely?bwfc1874 wrote:He's also overseen one of the most successful periods of our history.
£135m in debt is not a successful period, it's a fucking disaster.
65 Re: If Dougie were to go... Wed Oct 23 2013, 08:07
Guest
Guest
A debt that was mainly built after Allardyce had gone, so Im 100% correct.
66 Re: If Dougie were to go... Wed Oct 23 2013, 11:45
JohannesburgWanderer
Mario Jardel
If Ian Holloway was to be sacked at Palace today maybe Freedman will be enticed back and Holloway could comne back to North West!!! Although Ince is apparently a target for Middlesborough so Holloway could go back to Blackpool and we get Mowbray!!!!!
67 Re: If Dougie were to go... Wed Oct 23 2013, 12:02
boltonbonce
Nat Lofthouse
Stop it! You're scaring me.
68 Re: If Dougie were to go... Wed Oct 23 2013, 12:42
Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Same, I absolutely hate him and his "brand" of football.bwfc1874 wrote:I'd be absolutely gutted if we appointed Pulis.
People think Dougie's negative, wait till they see Tony in action.
69 Re: If Dougie were to go... Wed Oct 23 2013, 12:43
Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Mowbray one of the worst managers in existence, who couldn't even do the business at Celtic.JohannesburgWanderer wrote:If Ian Holloway was to be sacked at Palace today maybe Freedman will be enticed back and Holloway could comne back to North West!!! Although Ince is apparently a target for Middlesborough so Holloway could go back to Blackpool and we get Mowbray!!!!!
He'd be brilliant.
Memo to Bolton fans, any manager who is sacked isn't automatically the man we "need" (they got sacked for a reason)
70 Re: If Dougie were to go... Wed Oct 23 2013, 14:17
Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Exactly, as far as I'm aware Karl Robinson has never been sacked.
71 Re: If Dougie were to go... Wed Oct 23 2013, 14:19
karlypants
Nat Lofthouse
Correct, he's been at MK Dons since 2010.Natasha Whittam wrote:Exactly, as far as I'm aware Karl Robinson has never been sacked.
72 Re: If Dougie were to go... Wed Oct 23 2013, 15:45
Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
That's what we need, someone who doesn't have the stench of failure about them but has managed for more than a few weeks.
73 Re: If Dougie were to go... Wed Oct 23 2013, 16:16
doffcocker
Ivan Campo
What has Karl Robinson done worth writing home about?
74 Re: If Dougie were to go... Wed Oct 23 2013, 16:20
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
He played for Bamber Bridge and enjoys deep sea fishing and the works of James Joyce.doffcocker wrote:What has Karl Robinson done worth writing home about?
75 Re: If Dougie were to go... Wed Oct 23 2013, 23:57
luckyPeterpiper
Ivan Campo
Ian Holloway is a hell of a funny man and a very likeable character but he's failed in the top flight twice now and frankly I think he'd be no better than what we have. People may say Dougie is one dimensional but so is Holloway. He might want to play attacking football but he does it no matter what and in many ways he's got the same sort of tunnel vision Owen Coyle had. What we need in the long run is a manager who adapts to the players he has and the opposition they face. Sam was the last manager of our club who could do it and they are fairly thin on the ground. Even thinner are managers who've never failed or been potted by a club. While Holloway has provided a lot of memorable quotes and entertaining comments I don't think he'd be good for us.
The sad truth is that we haven't the pulling power to attract a really great manager and of the ones currently available I'm going to side with Natasha and say they are free because they failed, not the best recommendation for a club struggling both on and off the field. Now I'll disagree with Natasha and say until and unless someone who is really keen to come here and hasn't already been shunting from one failure to another becomes available then we should stick with what we have. I don't expect Dougie to take us to a CL final any time soon or light up the night with amazing football that Barcelona envy but by the same token I don't think anyone else will in our current set of circumstances.
I don't doubt that a lot of names will be bandied about over the course of the season or that Dougie is under pressure given the awful start we've had but change for the sake of it would in my opinion be silly. Unless we KNOW that the man coming in will radically improve things then there's no point in making alterations.
The sad truth is that we haven't the pulling power to attract a really great manager and of the ones currently available I'm going to side with Natasha and say they are free because they failed, not the best recommendation for a club struggling both on and off the field. Now I'll disagree with Natasha and say until and unless someone who is really keen to come here and hasn't already been shunting from one failure to another becomes available then we should stick with what we have. I don't expect Dougie to take us to a CL final any time soon or light up the night with amazing football that Barcelona envy but by the same token I don't think anyone else will in our current set of circumstances.
I don't doubt that a lot of names will be bandied about over the course of the season or that Dougie is under pressure given the awful start we've had but change for the sake of it would in my opinion be silly. Unless we KNOW that the man coming in will radically improve things then there's no point in making alterations.
76 Re: If Dougie were to go... Thu Oct 24 2013, 00:08
doffcocker
Ivan Campo
Blackpool were relegated on 39 points with as small a budget as we may ever see in the PL. They were desperately unlucky. Just getting them to the top flight was an excellent achievement by Holloway.
I don't care much either way about him as a person. He neither makes me laugh out loud nor pisses me off. I wouldn't be jumping for joy if he came to Bolton nor would I be furious.
I don't care much either way about him as a person. He neither makes me laugh out loud nor pisses me off. I wouldn't be jumping for joy if he came to Bolton nor would I be furious.
77 Re: If Dougie were to go... Thu Oct 24 2013, 08:00
Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Taken a struggling team, steadied the ship, brought in a load of young players for peanuts, with a few old heads for experience, and produced a team that plays football the way it should be played.doffcocker wrote:What has Karl Robinson done worth writing home about?
Granted, he's no Fergie at the moment but as potential goes he's top of the list and would probably see Bolton as a step up.
I'd rather be shit playing good football than be shit playing Dougie's extra cautious bollocks.
78 Re: If Dougie were to go... Thu Oct 24 2013, 10:05
wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Karl Robinson does well as a League 1 manager by signing and releasing loads of players who are on a free transfer, hence his massive turnover of playing staff and more false dawns than you can wave a stick at. Good strategy for league 1 survival and TBF he almost got them promoted on one occasion.
A likeable chap as Paul Ince sidekicks go, popular with the media, but less so with the fans who are getting fed up with the lack of progress after all the hype.
He may be a media darling but he has no apparent skills when it comes to developing players, and his track record as a manager is very questionable as he's promised so much and failed at every attempt to get MKD promoted.
In his favour is that he knows the lower leagues and can manage on a budget if we ever need rejected League 2 players on a free.
A likeable chap as Paul Ince sidekicks go, popular with the media, but less so with the fans who are getting fed up with the lack of progress after all the hype.
He may be a media darling but he has no apparent skills when it comes to developing players, and his track record as a manager is very questionable as he's promised so much and failed at every attempt to get MKD promoted.
In his favour is that he knows the lower leagues and can manage on a budget if we ever need rejected League 2 players on a free.
79 Re: If Dougie were to go... Thu Oct 24 2013, 13:03
Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Any manager who's had a sustained period of stability always catches the eye, especially in the lower leagues.
but if we're being honest, i would speculate there aren't many on here who have been watching MK dons every week during KR reign. So anything said is really conjecture.
but if we're being honest, i would speculate there aren't many on here who have been watching MK dons every week during KR reign. So anything said is really conjecture.
80 Re: If Dougie were to go... Thu Oct 24 2013, 13:30
doffcocker
Ivan Campo
The list of managers that have achieved miles more than Karl Robinson, then moved to a club like Bolton and been a waste of space is endless.
Look at Graham Westley. He did an unbelievable job at Stevenage. He moved to a bigger club where he became possibly their most hated ever manager.
Look at Graham Westley. He did an unbelievable job at Stevenage. He moved to a bigger club where he became possibly their most hated ever manager.
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