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Saw the following on the news today and it is an actual example of the point I was trying to make earlier in the thread about different cultures -
The parents are appealing to the European Court of Human Rights, although it is likely it will take months before their case is heard.
Lucie Boddington, from Děti Patří Rodičům - or Children Belong to Parents - a Slovakian charity which has been supporting the couple, said she hoped the Slovak government would request the case be heard more quickly.
She told the BBC the parents were "desperate" and had cried openly when they heard the judge's decision.
"This is I think in some way a cultural misunderstanding," she said.
"In Slovakia, they were a model family - very different from the way some Roma live. The father is hard-working, well-educated; he wanted the best for his children."
So they are a model family in their own country yet this is what the court heard about how they live -
An earlier hearing heard evidence they had neglected their children.
'Over-chastised'
In what the judge described as a "very sad case", the boys - aged two and four - were put up for adoption because of concerns about the couple's parenting.
Mrs Justice Theis had found them unwilling to acknowledge the criticisms or to change how they parented their children.
The court heard the boys' older siblings' school attendance was poor, that they were left alone and "over-chastised" - the father admitted he had beaten them - and sometimes appeared dirty and unkempt.
The judge had ruled the younger boys should be adopted, for their long-term welfare.
Would you honestly want this 'model' family living next door to you?
The point that I was trying to make earlier is that how people live in their home country is one thing but it doesn't necessarily fit into to how we live in this country and that is were the problems start when they live to their ways, values and norms - whilst being in our society with its ways, values and norms.
Just to sum things up a bit more -
Sir James Munby, the most senior judge in the Family Court, said the couple had no grounds in law to appeal.
He added that while any judge should "respect the opinions of those who come here from a foreign land", he had to judge matters according to English law and by reference to "the standards of reasonable men and women in contemporary English society".
Full story here -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27552716
The parents are appealing to the European Court of Human Rights, although it is likely it will take months before their case is heard.
Lucie Boddington, from Děti Patří Rodičům - or Children Belong to Parents - a Slovakian charity which has been supporting the couple, said she hoped the Slovak government would request the case be heard more quickly.
She told the BBC the parents were "desperate" and had cried openly when they heard the judge's decision.
"This is I think in some way a cultural misunderstanding," she said.
"In Slovakia, they were a model family - very different from the way some Roma live. The father is hard-working, well-educated; he wanted the best for his children."
So they are a model family in their own country yet this is what the court heard about how they live -
An earlier hearing heard evidence they had neglected their children.
'Over-chastised'
In what the judge described as a "very sad case", the boys - aged two and four - were put up for adoption because of concerns about the couple's parenting.
Mrs Justice Theis had found them unwilling to acknowledge the criticisms or to change how they parented their children.
The court heard the boys' older siblings' school attendance was poor, that they were left alone and "over-chastised" - the father admitted he had beaten them - and sometimes appeared dirty and unkempt.
The judge had ruled the younger boys should be adopted, for their long-term welfare.
Would you honestly want this 'model' family living next door to you?
The point that I was trying to make earlier is that how people live in their home country is one thing but it doesn't necessarily fit into to how we live in this country and that is were the problems start when they live to their ways, values and norms - whilst being in our society with its ways, values and norms.
Just to sum things up a bit more -
Sir James Munby, the most senior judge in the Family Court, said the couple had no grounds in law to appeal.
He added that while any judge should "respect the opinions of those who come here from a foreign land", he had to judge matters according to English law and by reference to "the standards of reasonable men and women in contemporary English society".
Full story here -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27552716
