Brexit negotiations

It's like a Whitehall farce. All that's missing is Brian Rix with his trousers round his ankles.

Well we were told by the PM of the time that leave was a vote to leave the EU and all its constituent bodies. I think it was quite clear.

I think most leavers would now agree they couldn't care less at this point. They have no interest in what the people think about anything.

Various figures in the leave campaign talked up Norway option. Too many different interpretations out here. At this point we should be leaving in the least damaging way for the country, at least in the short term.

My view is......Fuck off May.

My view is what is happening was always going to happen due to promising a bunch of unattainable and unrealistic objectives to gain political traction BEFORE negotiations had even started.

May has delivered a masterclass in how not to negotiate.

Her latest last minute u-turn on the vote has made her a complete and utter joke. She is going to come back from Brussels with nothing and be defeated. She has no plan B. She is just delaying the inevitable.

xmiles wrote:May has delivered a masterclass in how not to negotiate.

Her latest last minute u-turn on the vote has made her a complete and utter joke. She is going to come back from Brussels with nothing and be defeated. She has no plan B. She is just delaying the inevitable.

Despite the EU having already stated that they will make no further concessions she's off to Brussels specifically to discuss the NI border - as if that's the only thing wrong with the deal she has struck.

Clearly this is an attempt to win back the support of the DUP so she would then be in a position to railroad the rest of it through.

As she's not even discussing the other problematic issues with the deal including the lost billions and future costs of Galileo, Gibraltar concessions to the Spanish, Channel port blockages, business uncertainty, broken cross border security arrangements etc - let alone the absence of trade deals - surely the British people can finally see that Brexit is not about EU withdrawal - it's about political maneuverings and power.

Anyone seen the claim that Brexit will cost Britain £2 BILLION A WEEK? (Compared to the leave campaign's spurious £350 million cost of remaining claim)

Personally I think the claim is disputable - despite using the Government's own figures - as it centres on the Government's own downwardly revised growth figures.

Whilst the Government currently accepts that Brexit will damage growth in every region of Britain the extent of the damage Brexit will cause can be argued.

Surely the focus should be on the undisputable costs we already know about e.g. the lost investment in and cost of replacing Galileo (£25 to £30 billion) the cost of the new cross border security arrangements (yet TBA) the "divorce bill" (£39 billion) etc and then apply realistic assessment measures to start to work out the short, medium and long term costs. 
Otherwise the figures will be as rubbish as the leave campaign lies and nobody will believe them.

xmiles wrote:May has delivered a masterclass in how not to negotiate.

Her latest last minute u-turn on the vote has made her a complete and utter joke. She is going to come back from Brussels with nothing and be defeated. She has no plan B. She is just delaying the inevitable.

Mark my words, she will grasp victory from the jaws of defeat.

I'm currently scouting spots to place the life size Theresa May statue that I made out of papier mache.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

xmiles wrote:May has delivered a masterclass in how not to negotiate.

Her latest last minute u-turn on the vote has made her a complete and utter joke. She is going to come back from Brussels with nothing and be defeated. She has no plan B. She is just delaying the inevitable.

Mark my words, she will grasp victory from the jaws of defeat.

I'm currently scouting spots to place the life size Theresa May statue that I made out of papier mache.

If shes ever within my arms length, I'm going to punch her in the face!

karlypants wrote:If shes ever within my arms length, I'm going to punch her in the face!

What a big man, punching a papier mache head.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

karlypants wrote:If shes ever within my arms length, I'm going to punch her in the face!

What a big man, punching a papier mache head.

My solution to the Irish border would be to build a fuck off wall

Hipster_Nebula wrote:My solution to the Irish border would be to build a fuck off wall

Reunite both Irelands and have done with it!

The constant threats of violence from politicians on behalf of the Irish should simply be ignored.

What Macca said.

On a serious note: too many lives were lost during the troubles, just to put it to one side, in favour of one of the EU's demands.  The possible loss of even a single life should not be contemplated.
(Is this the thread I said I wouldn't read again, after my rant}?

So we should give in to the threat of terrorism. Deary me.

Heard something on the radio about the Tory rebels feeling they have enough support to table a vote of no confidence in the Prime Minister. Could be interesting.
Allegedly the wheels for a leadership challenge have already been set in motion.
Brush your hair Boris.

Its been announced just now that the no confidence limit has been reached. Not sure what good having a new PM will do at this stage as the EU are adamant that the current deal can't be renegotiated. Looks even more like we are going to get a no deal to me.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46535739