Brexit negotiations

The EU will keep giving us extensions. You have to wonder why.

You know what Wander, you really are a fucking moron!

Hipster_Nebula wrote:The EU will keep giving us extensions. You have to wonder why.

Because a no deal doesn’t suit anyone.

Except the likes of your hero Rees Mogg, who’ll make a fortune.

wanderlust wrote:So parliament voted to go back to the EU and beg them to change their minds over the extension? Now May will be told tofuck Off in 27 languages again.

The minority who still want to leave will whinge and May will try to bring the narrative back to her deal or no deal.

And every excuse under the sun will be given not to accept the will of the people to remain and take a leading role in the EU.

We are so shit we don’t deserve to be in the EU.

When did we last take a leading role in the EU? As far as I am aware, we rarely, if ever, influenced anything. We're not liked very much in the EU parliament, never really have been, since Maggie forced them to give some money back.

gloswhite wrote:

wanderlust wrote:So parliament voted to go back to the EU and beg them to change their minds over the extension? Now May will be told tofuck Off in 27 languages again.

The minority who still want to leave will whinge and May will try to bring the narrative back to her deal or no deal.

And every excuse under the sun will be given not to accept the will of the people to remain and take a leading role in the EU.

We are so shit we don’t deserve to be in the EU.

When did we last take a leading role in the EU? As far as I am aware, we rarely, if ever, influenced anything. We're not liked very much in the EU parliament, never really have been, since Maggie forced them to give some money back.

It's just another remain lie. Remain and reform. More chance of reform in Saudi Arabia

gloswhite wrote:

wanderlust wrote:So parliament voted to go back to the EU and beg them to change their minds over the extension? Now May will be told tofuck Off in 27 languages again.

The minority who still want to leave will whinge and May will try to bring the narrative back to her deal or no deal.

And every excuse under the sun will be given not to accept the will of the people to remain and take a leading role in the EU.

We are so shit we don’t deserve to be in the EU.

When did we last take a leading role in the EU? As far as I am aware, we rarely, if ever, influenced anything. We're not liked very much in the EU parliament, never really have been, since Maggie forced them to give some money back.

The EU parliament held a grudge over something Thatcher did 30 years ago? Really not sure I’m buying that. The truth is we did play a lead role in the EU.

Here’s an example of how we influenced reform. Which also discredits two Brexiteer lies; we never controlled our borders and we never achieved any reform.

T.R.O.Y wrote:

gloswhite wrote:

wanderlust wrote:So parliament voted to go back to the EU and beg them to change their minds over the extension? Now May will be told tofuck Off in 27 languages again.

The minority who still want to leave will whinge and May will try to bring the narrative back to her deal or no deal.

And every excuse under the sun will be given not to accept the will of the people to remain and take a leading role in the EU.

We are so shit we don’t deserve to be in the EU.

When did we last take a leading role in the EU? As far as I am aware, we rarely, if ever, influenced anything. We're not liked very much in the EU parliament, never really have been, since Maggie forced them to give some money back.

The EU parliament held a grudge over something Thatcher did 30 years ago? Really not sure I’m buying that. The truth is we did play a lead role in the EU.

Here’s an example of how we influenced reform. Which also discredits two Brexiteer lies; we never controlled our borders and we never achieved any reform.

That is a fact TROY. You don't think it will have any effect on a brexit fan do you?

Crikey they allowed us to decide if we removed criminals from our own country? That's kind of them.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Crikey they allowed us to decide if we removed criminals from our own country? That's kind of them.

Well, being as the UK isn't in Schengen, and can therefore (and should) check every person coming in, you would think that 99% of them would be stopped from coming in to the UK in the first place, but HMRC is like the Police, understaffed and can't do all the checks it should. You can throw the blame for that at the Government, not the EU.

gloswhite wrote:

wanderlust wrote:So parliament voted to go back to the EU and beg them to change their minds over the extension? Now May will be told tofuck Off in 27 languages again.

The minority who still want to leave will whinge and May will try to bring the narrative back to her deal or no deal.

And every excuse under the sun will be given not to accept the will of the people to remain and take a leading role in the EU.

We are so shit we don’t deserve to be in the EU.

When did we last take a leading role in the EU? As far as I am aware, we rarely, if ever, influenced anything. We're not liked very much in the EU parliament, never really have been, since Maggie forced them to give some money back.

i wonder why we aren't liked ? The likes of Farage going in there (when he can be arsed to show up) and literally doing nothing other than try to undermine everything. The UK proposed around 90% of all legislation, accepted most of the rest, except for a few items to do with Taxation and suchlike. We had the best agreement in the EU with our discounts and opt outs. I would say we had a big influence. If I read the Daily Mail, or more to the point, believed even 20% of the absolute lies they spout then maybe I would see it differently.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Crikey they allowed us to decide if we removed criminals from our own country? That's kind of them.

Is it a reform or not?

T.R.O.Y wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Crikey they allowed us to decide if we removed criminals from our own country? That's kind of them.

Is it a reform or not?

Depends. What did we request.

I’ll help you, if it’s a change from the status quo that constitutes reform.

So the notion you can’t reform the EU is bollocks.

As is that we had no control over our own borders.

So if there’s any chance of having a sensible discussion about Brexit, both those points need to be accepted.

Mrs May seems to think we voted leave with a deal, there is something seriously wrong with her.

Flying back from Spain today and some overdressed brexiteer biddy was kicking off with the airport guy who was trying to help her use her digi passport (hardly rocket science) and as she was ranting and raving about it, he turned to his colleagues and said "she's taking back control". Unpatriotic perhaps but me and the missus laughed our socks off, even though we are a standing joke with our fellow Europeans.

Dunkels King wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Crikey they allowed us to decide if we removed criminals from our own country? That's kind of them.

Well, being as the UK isn't in Schengen, and can therefore (and should) check every person coming in, you would think that 99% of them would be stopped from coming in to the UK in the first place, but HMRC is like the Police, understaffed and can't do all the checks it should. You can throw the blame for that at the Government, not the EU.

If we can already do i don't understand why were asking the EU for permission.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

Dunkels King wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Crikey they allowed us to decide if we removed criminals from our own country? That's kind of them.

Well, being as the UK isn't in Schengen, and can therefore (and should) check every person coming in, you would think that 99% of them would be stopped from coming in to the UK in the first place, but HMRC is like the Police, understaffed and can't do all the checks it should. You can throw the blame for that at the Government, not the EU.

If we can already do i don't understand why were asking the EU for permission.

It said "a strengthening of powers". That's not the same as "new powers". Less recourse for appeal etc. It wasn't just for the UK it was for all EU Countries, so as an example, Spain can kick out all the Criminal Brits if they want to.

Are you safe where you are DK ? 

Dunkels King wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

Dunkels King wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Crikey they allowed us to decide if we removed criminals from our own country? That's kind of them.

Well, being as the UK isn't in Schengen, and can therefore (and should) check every person coming in, you would think that 99% of them would be stopped from coming in to the UK in the first place, but HMRC is like the Police, understaffed and can't do all the checks it should. You can throw the blame for that at the Government, not the EU.

If we can already do i don't understand why were asking the EU for permission.

It said "a strengthening of powers". That's not the same as "new powers". Less recourse for appeal etc. It wasn't just for the UK it was for all EU Countries, so as an example, Spain can kick out all the Criminal Brits if they want to.

Excellent. But I still don't understand why were asking for permission to police our own country.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

Dunkels King wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

Dunkels King wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Crikey they allowed us to decide if we removed criminals from our own country? That's kind of them.

Well, being as the UK isn't in Schengen, and can therefore (and should) check every person coming in, you would think that 99% of them would be stopped from coming in to the UK in the first place, but HMRC is like the Police, understaffed and can't do all the checks it should. You can throw the blame for that at the Government, not the EU.

If we can already do i don't understand why were asking the EU for permission.

It said "a strengthening of powers". That's not the same as "new powers". Less recourse for appeal etc. It wasn't just for the UK it was for all EU Countries, so as an example, Spain can kick out all the Criminal Brits if they want to.

Excellent. But I still don't understand why were asking for permission to police our own country.

I don't understand why you think that participating in the democratic processes of and seeking clarification from an organisation we overwhelmingly voted to join constitutes "asking for permission".

That said we have been appalling at "policing our own country", the Abu Hamza case being a prime example, where for "political reasons" we refused to prosecute him or deport him to the States (where he'd already been convicted) for years causing the deaths of Brits in Yemen and showing the world how weak we are. Tory paper article here.
And as recently as January, the CPS dropped firearms charges against his son Here.
If anything, our "justice system" needs help.