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621How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Feb 08 2022, 14:11

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Whitesince63 wrote:

Troy, the scientific consensus is not overwhelming and there is absolutely no evidence, just a series of estimated calculations from a bunch of leftie academics. We’ve seen from the Covid “experts” how accurate their numbers are. The FACT is that we don’t have any, only history. These experts like to quote temperatures and statistics since records began and completely ignore the FACT that the planet has had both hotter and colder periods plus levels of CO2 much higher than todays which had nothing to do with cows farting, fossil fuels or human activity. The only real FACT is that the whole eco argument is total bollocks. 

The Chinese and the Russians know that and have given no guarantees that they will move away from Fossil Fuels, continuing to operate more cost effectively than we do whilst our virtue signalling politicians continue to price our populations and businesses out of the market. Time to see sense and yes, move towards renewables over time without setting ridiculously unachievable and pointless timescales.

Which eco argument is bollocks and where is the evidence? Sorry but it's fucking ridiculous to position this as a left wing conspiracy, that's not a serious response.

622How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Feb 08 2022, 17:46

Whitesince63


El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Show me this evidence then and I don’t mean posting a few links to the kind of fabricated nonsense I’ve just mentioned. You don’t have any hard facts and neither do they, otherwise why don’t they publicise them? There has not been a single grown up multi sided discussion on this subject just as there wasn’t on Covid. We now know Covid itself killed only 13,700 people not the 500,000 your experts in Sage were predicting. You really do need to wake up from the brainwashing and realise just who exactly is benefitting from the great green fallacy that is Global warming. The planet is warming but not through anything we’re doing and the Russians, Chinese and Indians who haven’t fallen for the con or the need to line the pockets of the landowners, are just getting on building the solar panels and windmills to sell to us using dirty coal, gas and oil. Clearly you’d rather pensioners and the poor would starve over here than challenge what you’re being told but that about sums you up I’m afraid. 🥱

623How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Feb 08 2022, 18:04

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Whitesince63 wrote:Show me this evidence then and I don’t mean posting a few links to the kind of fabricated nonsense I’ve just mentioned. You don’t have any hard facts and neither do they, otherwise why don’t they publicise them? There has not been a single grown up multi sided discussion on this subject just as there wasn’t on Covid. We now know Covid itself killed only 13,700 people not the 500,000 your experts in Sage were predicting. You really do need to wake up from the brainwashing and realise just who exactly is benefitting from the great green fallacy that is Global warming. The planet is warming but not through anything we’re doing and the Russians, Chinese and Indians who haven’t fallen for the con or the need to line the pockets of the landowners, are just getting on building the solar panels and windmills to sell to us using dirty coal, gas and oil. Clearly you’d rather pensioners and the poor would starve over here than challenge what you’re being told but that about sums you up I’m afraid. 🥱

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Covid: Posts claiming only 17,000 died of virus 'factually incorrect'

Covid myths that spread on social media very often have a kernel of fact at their heart - a real statistic that gets misused - to tell a story which ends up far from reality. In this case, that information was figures released by the ONS looking at people who died of Covid and who had no other health conditions.

But the false implication made in social media posts - that if someone had any pre-existing health condition, they did not really die of the virus - doesn't logically follow.

"It is very common for the person dying to have a pre-existing health condition of some sort, but this does not mean that the person was at imminent risk of dying from that condition, or even considered to have a reduced life expectancy," the ONS explained.

It described the 17,000 figure as "factually incorrect and highly misleading".

Deaths which would not have been counted in the 17,000 include people with asthma, diabetes, an irregular heartbeat or high blood pressure - all conditions with which many can expect to live a normal lifespan. In other words, these are not terminal conditions that would have killed people had they not caught Covid.

"It wasn't type 2 diabetes that killed my dad, it was Covid-19," says Mr Fowler, who co-founded the group Covid-19 Bereaved Families for Justice. "Were it not for the unchecked spread of the virus, my dad would still be alive today."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60145237

624How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Feb 08 2022, 18:31

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Sluffy wrote:

:facepalm:

Covid: Posts claiming only 17,000 died of virus 'factually incorrect'

Covid myths that spread on social media very often have a kernel of fact at their heart - a real statistic that gets misused - to tell a story which ends up far from reality. In this case, that information was figures released by the ONS looking at people who died of Covid and who had no other health conditions.

But the false implication made in social media posts - that if someone had any pre-existing health condition, they did not really die of the virus - doesn't logically follow.

"It is very common for the person dying to have a pre-existing health condition of some sort, but this does not mean that the person was at imminent risk of dying from that condition, or even considered to have a reduced life expectancy," the ONS explained.

It described the 17,000 figure as "factually incorrect and highly misleading".

Deaths which would not have been counted in the 17,000 include people with asthma, diabetes, an irregular heartbeat or high blood pressure - all conditions with which many can expect to live a normal lifespan. In other words, these are not terminal conditions that would have killed people had they not caught Covid.

"It wasn't type 2 diabetes that killed my dad, it was Covid-19," says Mr Fowler, who co-founded the group Covid-19 Bereaved Families for Justice. "Were it not for the unchecked spread of the virus, my dad would still be alive today."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60145237

Thanks Sluffy.

And here's the 'fabricated nonsense' on the environment from those Marxists at Nasa... and just about every other agency you could care to name.

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

Now please do post some evidence to the contrary Whites.


AMERICAN SCIENTIFIC SOCIETIES
Statement on Climate Change from 18 Scientific Associations
"Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver." (2009)2

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American Association for the Advancement of Science
"Based on well-established evidence, about 97% of climate scientists have concluded that human-caused climate change is happening." (2014)3

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American Chemical Society
"The Earth’s climate is changing in response to increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases (GHGs) and particulate matter in the atmosphere, largely as the result of human activities." (2016-2019)4

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American Geophysical Union
"Based on extensive scientific evidence, it is extremely likely that human activities, especially emissions of greenhouse gases, are the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century. There is no alterative explanation supported by convincing evidence." (2019)5

AMA emblem
American Medical Association
"Our AMA ... supports the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s fourth assessment report and concurs with the scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant." (2019)6

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American Meteorological Society
"Research has found a human influence on the climate of the past several decades ... The IPCC (2013), USGCRP (2017), and USGCRP (2018) indicate that it is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-twentieth century." (2019)7

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American Physical Society
"Earth's changing climate is a critical issue and poses the risk of significant environmental, social and economic disruptions around the globe. While natural sources of climate variability are significant, multiple lines of evidence indicate that human influences have had an increasingly dominant effect on global climate warming observed since the mid-twentieth century." (2015)8

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The Geological Society of America
"The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2011), the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2013) and the U.S. Global Change Research Program (Melillo et al., 2014) that global climate has warmed in response to increasing concentrations of carbon dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases ... Human activities (mainly greenhouse-gas emissions) are the dominant cause of the rapid warming since the middle 1900s (IPCC, 2013)." (2015)9

SCIENCE ACADEMIES
International Academies: Joint Statement
"Climate change is real. There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the world’s climate. However there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring. The evidence comes from direct measurements of rising surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures and from phenomena such as increases in average global sea levels, retreating glaciers, and changes to many physical and biological systems. It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities (IPCC 2001)." (2005, 11 international science academies)10

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U.S. National Academy of Sciences
"Scientists have known for some time, from multiple lines of evidence, that humans are changing Earth’s climate, primarily through greenhouse gas emissions."11

U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENCIES
USGCRP emblem
U.S. Global Change Research Program
"Earth’s climate is now changing faster than at any point in the history of modern civilization, primarily as a result of human activities." (2018, 13 U.S. government departments and agencies)12

INTERGOVERNMENTAL BODIES
IPCC emblem
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
“Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, and since the 1950s, many of the observed changes are unprecedented over decades to millennia. The atmosphere and ocean have warmed, the amounts of snow and ice have diminished, and sea level has risen.”13

“Human influence on the climate system is clear, and recent anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gases are the highest in history. Recent climate changes have had widespread impacts on human and natural systems.”14
OTHER RESOURCES
List of Worldwide Scientific Organizations
The following page lists the nearly 200 worldwide scientific organizations that hold the position that climate change has been caused by human action.
http://www.opr.ca.gov/facts/list-of-scientific-organizations.html

U.S. Agencies
The following page contains information on what federal agencies are doing to adapt to climate change.
https://www.c2es.org/site/assets/uploads/2012/02/climate-change-adaptation-what-federal-agencies-are-doing.pdf

625How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Wed Feb 09 2022, 10:37

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El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Yaba, yaba, yaba. I’ve seen all that, heard all that, same as when the Ozone layer was going to disappear and fry us all yet now despite humans best efforts is healing itself. I don’t have any argument that greenhouse gas emissions add to the CO2 load, never have but what I do fundamentally question and none of your posts above answer it, is that humans are the primary and sole cause of the planet warming. Neither have you, nor your scientists, denied that our planet has experienced warmer temperatures and higher CO2 levels than we have today. Their history is “since records began” which is only the last few hundred years. 

Nobody’s questioning the climates changing it does constantly, just whether we as humans can do anything about it. Of course we can cease using fossil fuels and move to renewable forms of energy. I’m all behind that but it’s the timescales that are wrong, it’s this fear mongering that unless we do it right now, whatever the financial cost and hardship it brings, the worlds going to end. It’s bollocks and if you want to get suckered into it, just like you and Sluffy are with Covid, that’s fine but stop trying to penalise the more elightened with your silly statistics. Covid was real, Climate Change is real but we’ve massively overreacted on both to mine, yours and our kids cost and don’t even get me started on those who’ve died unnecessarily due to the stupid obsession with the virus.

626How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Wed Feb 09 2022, 11:02

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https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ac2966

Greater than 99% consensus on human caused climate change in the peer-reviewed scientific literature

Our results confirm, as has been found in numerous other previous studies of this question, that there is no significant scientific debate among experts about whether or not climate change is human-caused. This issue has been comprehensively settled, and the reality of ACC is no more in contention among scientists than is plate tectonics or evolution.

Post some evidence to the contrary, you must have some?

627How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Thu Feb 10 2022, 02:18

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

British Chambers of Commerce survey says 73% of firms are putting up their prices.

628How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Thu Feb 10 2022, 10:41

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El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

wanderlust wrote:British Chambers of Commerce survey says 73% of firms are putting up their prices.

Wow, really? Prices going up, who’d have thought it? Just out of a pandemic (overdone) highest energy cost rise in history (self inflicted by the greens) and finally wages and social costs rising. Quel surprise Lusty!! 😊

629How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Thu Feb 10 2022, 10:42

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El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

T.R.O.Y. wrote:https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ac2966

Greater than 99% consensus on human caused climate change in the peer-reviewed scientific literature

Our results confirm, as has been found in numerous other previous studies of this question, that there is no significant scientific debate among experts about whether or not climate change is human-caused. This issue has been comprehensively settled, and the reality of ACC is no more in contention among scientists than is plate tectonics or evolution.

Post some evidence to the contrary, you must have some?

Don’t need to Troy, history’s done it for me!!

630How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Fri Feb 11 2022, 12:39

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Whitesince63 wrote:

Wow, really? Prices going up, who’d have thought it? Just out of a pandemic (overdone) highest energy cost rise in history (self inflicted by the greens) and finally wages and social costs rising. Quel surprise Lusty!! 😊
There's no point in putting up wages. Chasing inflation creates more inflation creates even higher prices. Ultimately Brits are simply going to have to accept that we're going to be worse off and bite the bullet.
Problem is that we have a history of trying to ensure that someone else bites the bullet for us.

631How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Feb 15 2022, 12:15

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And just before anyone takes a pop at me - these appointments were made by politicians and/or their appointees and NOT by civil servants.

632How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Feb 15 2022, 12:26

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El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Not trying to defend the government Sluffy but I think these appointments were made in haste due to the need to get people into position quickly during the Pandemic. Just another of the mistakes they made during that period which the law of course doesn’t take into account.

633How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Feb 15 2022, 12:42

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Whitesince63 wrote:Not trying to defend the government Sluffy but I think these appointments were made in haste due to the need to get people into position quickly during the Pandemic. Just another of the mistakes they made during that period which the law of course doesn’t take into account.

The High Court judges ruling hasn't been published yet and Good Law Project has in the past clearly put their own spin on cases they have taken to court - so I wouldn't put too much store in their claims, other than the the headline will be that the appointments were on some point of law wrong.

I wanted to post up the tweet right away however just to show I'm even handed and treat everything and everybody equally and secondly to make the separate point that the appointments were in the gift of politicians and not civil servants (I've made a big point in respect of contact awards that they were determined by civil servants and not politicians).

634How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Feb 15 2022, 16:21

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Sluffy wrote:The High Court judges ruling hasn't been published yet and Good Law Project has in the past clearly put their own spin on cases they have taken to court - so I wouldn't put too much store in their claims, other than the the headline will be that the appointments were on some point of law wrong.

Yes, seems I was right to state this, very right to do so as it happens!

It all very technical but it simple terms Maugham/GLP in fact took a massive defeat on this - maybe even terminal to them!

2022.02.15 - GLP and Runnymede Trust judgment.pdf - Google Drive

In very simple terms, in order to bring a court case you have to be involved with it in some way so that it directly effected you - this is known as 'standing'.

The judges in this case declared the GLP had NO standing in this case - AND went on to examine 'who' GLP actually are by looking at their Articles of Association (the legal basis on how they can act as a company - in this case a not for profit organisation).

They determined very simply that GLP simply HAVE NOT got the standing to bring any legal cases!!!

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Make no mistake, this is a huge legal blow against what Maugham/GLP has been doing.

As I say, probably fatal to how they have operated up until today.


I thought I throw in a couple of other pertinent tweets as well -








The bottom line as usual is that on a technicality just one point of law was breeched and this being in the midst of a worldwide pandemic.

The JR judges noted that point and no further action has been granted.

All it has achieved is for Maugham to politically embarrass the government whilst raising many, many thousands of pounds more to his company from public donations!

635How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Sun Feb 20 2022, 09:59

okocha

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El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

PM floundering desperately this morning in the face of Sophie Raworth's implacable logic and insistence about his honesty and confused policies.

636How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Sun Feb 20 2022, 18:06

Whitesince63


El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

okocha wrote:PM floundering desperately this morning in the face of Sophie Raworth's implacable logic and insistence about his honesty and confused policies.
You mean with all the face pulling, arms folding and exasperating grimaces she pulled whilst getting nowhere with a resolute Boris? The only one floundering was Sophie constantly failing to realise she wasn’t going to get an answer, she wasted a good ten minutes in which she could have been grilling him on actual policies instead of wasting yet more time on Partygate. As Boris quite rightly said, all of that will be addressed in the fullness of time when the Mets investigation is revealed but right now there are far more important things to be addressed. Mind you, it is the BBC. 🤔

637How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Sun Feb 20 2022, 19:19

boltonbonce

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

okocha wrote:PM floundering desperately this morning in the face of Sophie Raworth's implacable logic and insistence about his honesty and confused policies.
 I gave him a miss. If I wanted to listen to an arsehole I'd fart.

638How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Sun Feb 20 2022, 19:56

karlypants

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

boltonbonce wrote:
okocha wrote:PM floundering desperately this morning in the face of Sophie Raworth's implacable logic and insistence about his honesty and confused policies.
 I gave him a miss. If I wanted to listen to an arsehole I'd fart.
Laughing

639How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Sun Feb 20 2022, 20:51

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Whitesince63 wrote:
You mean with all the face pulling, arms folding and exasperating grimaces she pulled whilst getting nowhere with a resolute Boris? The only one floundering was Sophie constantly failing to realise she wasn’t going to get an answer, she wasted a good ten minutes in which she could have been grilling him on actual policies instead of wasting yet more time on Partygate. As Boris quite rightly said, all of that will be addressed in the fullness of time when the Mets investigation is revealed but right now there are far more important things to be addressed. Mind you, it is the BBC. 🤔
"A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest..."

Your interpretation of events and people betrays your atavistic, blind outlook, grandad.

640How is the Tory government doing? - Page 32 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Mon Feb 21 2022, 01:05

wanderlust

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

okocha wrote:
"A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest..."

Your interpretation of events and people betrays your atavistic, blind outlook, grandad.
Are you actually quoting Simon and Garfunkel at White, Okocha?
:rofl:

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