Bolton Wanderers target Middlesbrough striker on loan

karlypants wrote:Is he any good? Do you know much about him Hipster?

2 goals in 24 appearances and struggling for form so sky sports news says. Just the sort of player DF loves then. He'll come in (assuming that a deal is actually done which I doubt a lot) and take his place on the bench like all the others who are "not quite match fit" that this club sign.

Here's the SSN article, says it all really.

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One of Dougie's top targets, a useless jerk who Middlesborough want to offload so they can bring in a REAL footballer. 

So naturally we've dived in with both feet, will yak about it for two or three days and then it won't happen 'cos things didn't quite go our way with terms/conditions/ unforeseen circumstances. 

No one's coming in, I really am convinced of that now and frankly if this guy's a really top target for us I'm praying hard that I'm right.

Who are these strikers, bang in form, scoring for fun, who we can A) afford and B) would come here?

This is the reality now, we're looking at people who may have lost their way a bit or are completely out of favour at their clubs. Thats the reality.

Even though I don't think a striker is our main priority, I'm underwhelmed and a little disappointed.
Dougie clearly thinks that we need cover for Beckford (as do many) and is looking for "experience" as he's clearly not willing to throw in Odelusi or another youngster.
The names mentioned so far are singularly unprolific apart from Graham who I watched the other day and was so off the pace that his own team mates stopped passing to him. 
I can't imagine that any of these could do any better than our kids might, so why waste money on one of them when we need it to be spent elsewhere?

When we do have a recognised striker like Beckford playing, clear cut chances are few and far between anyway. In times like these, if Dougie hasn't got faith in Cavies, Odelusi or Eaves etc. he could try something different like playing a whippet like Hall up front on his own or just having an extra attacking midfielder to try to play our way through.

I just don't see the need to invest in another "experienced" lone front man especially if they're not a cut above what we already have. 
Looks a bit like an ass-covering job to me.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Who are these strikers, bang in form, scoring for fun, who we can A) afford and B) would come here?

This is the reality now, we're looking at people who may have lost their way a bit or are completely out of favour at their clubs. Thats the reality.

True Hipster, can't really argue with that!

karlypants wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Who are these strikers, bang in form, scoring for fun, who we can A) afford and B) would come here?

This is the reality now, we're looking at people who may have lost their way a bit or are completely out of favour at their clubs. Thats the reality.

True Hipster, can't really argue with that!

I can. Why bother wasting our money on them at all?
Let's do something different for a change. Couldn't be much worse than what we have been doing.
I'd rather see the money going into defence and creativity than yet another same old same old labouring striker.

wanderlust wrote:

karlypants wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Who are these strikers, bang in form, scoring for fun, who we can A) afford and B) would come here?

This is the reality now, we're looking at people who may have lost their way a bit or are completely out of favour at their clubs. Thats the reality.

True Hipster, can't really argue with that!

I can. Why bother wasting our money on them at all?
Let's do something different for a change. Couldn't be much worse than what we have been doing.
I'd rather see the money going into defence and creativity than yet another same old same old labouring striker.

 

wanderlust wrote:

karlypants wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Who are these strikers, bang in form, scoring for fun, who we can A) afford and B) would come here?

This is the reality now, we're looking at people who may have lost their way a bit or are completely out of favour at their clubs. Thats the reality.

True Hipster, can't really argue with that!

I can. Why bother wasting our money on them at all?
Let's do something different for a change. Couldn't be much worse than what we have been doing.
I'd rather see the money going into defence and creativity than yet another same old same old labouring striker.

We definitely need a defensive player or 2 as we have conceded 42 goals so far in the Championship and our goal difference is -11.

If you look at some of the clubs further up the table than us, Derby have scored 51 goals, we have scored 31.

I do feel we need to go back to 2 strikers up front and Dougie needs a formation change if we are going to move away from the relegation zone.

wanderlust wrote:

karlypants wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Who are these strikers, bang in form, scoring for fun, who we can A) afford and B) would come here?

This is the reality now, we're looking at people who may have lost their way a bit or are completely out of favour at their clubs. Thats the reality.

True Hipster, can't really argue with that!

I can. Why bother wasting our money on them at all?
Let's do something different for a change. Couldn't be much worse than what we have been doing.
I'd rather see the money going into defence and creativity than yet another same old same old labouring striker.

You could argue we should already have enough creativity. 

Eagles, M.Davies, Mortiz, LCY, Danns, Hall all have natural ability they're just not showing it. Our leading striker has scored 6 goals this season. 

and i would agree if defence wasn't being targeted also but it is, so why not "try something different" in as many ways as you can, considering what we've got now isn't flourishing.

Good managers pick up underperforming players and get the most out of them ie Allardyce with SKD. 

I'm not saying this guy has underlying talent which Boro failed to get out of him, but as Hipster says we don't have the option of signing proven talent given our budget so this is one of the options to us as we desperately need strikers.

He needs to be given the chance before we write him off.

bwfc1874 wrote:Good managers pick up underperforming players and get the most out of them ie Allardyce with SKD. 

I'm not saying this guy has underlying talent which Boro failed to get out of him, but as Hipster says we don't have the option of signing proven talent given our budget so this is one of the options to us as we desperately need strikers.

He needs to be given the chance before we write him off.

Key words there are GOOD MANAGERS. I don't think Freedman IS a good manager but laying that aside for the moment I seriously think this guy is just not good enough for this level. I freely admit I base that on both his stats and the Boro fan's own comments about him. This is a waste of time and money in my opinion, both of which need to be spent in areas that need much more urgent attention. Defence is one, finding someone who CAN finish is another and a striker with 2 from 24 doesn't make me feel we've got someone who can finish. I seriously hope this is wrong, he's just as bad if not worse than the players we have now, the ones DF has already failed to get the best out of.

Fair comments LPP I don't know anything about him or what DF intends to do with him - lone striker/in a 2. So i'll reserve judgement until he's in the team.

bwfc1874 wrote:Good managers pick up underperforming players and get the most out of them ie Allardyce with SKD. 

I'm not saying this guy has underlying talent which Boro failed to get out of him, but as Hipster says we don't have the option of signing proven talent given our budget so this is one of the options to us as we desperately need strikers.

He needs to be given the chance before we write him off.

Isn't this exactly what was argued when we were all underwhelmed by the signing of Cavies?

Throwing on strikers of this quality has been proven not to be the answer, so it's time to think about doing something else.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

wanderlust wrote:

karlypants wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Who are these strikers, bang in form, scoring for fun, who we can A) afford and B) would come here?

This is the reality now, we're looking at people who may have lost their way a bit or are completely out of favour at their clubs. Thats the reality.

True Hipster, can't really argue with that!

I can. Why bother wasting our money on them at all?
Let's do something different for a change. Couldn't be much worse than what we have been doing.
I'd rather see the money going into defence and creativity than yet another same old same old labouring striker.

You could argue we should already have enough creativity. 

Eagles, M.Davies, Mortiz, LCY, Danns, Hall all have natural ability they're just not showing it. Our leading striker has scored 6 goals this season. 

and i would agree if defence wasn't being targeted also but it is, so why not "try something different" in as many ways as you can, considering what we've got now isn't flourishing.

You could argue it, but you'd have a hard time proving it. That lot get a nosebleed whenever they get into the final third - which contributes to the lack of clear cut chances for our strikers.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Who are these strikers, bang in form, scoring for fun, who we can A) afford and B) would come here?

I'd be looking at reserves in the PL who have a history of scoring in the Championship but found the step up too much.....or players who have a good recent scoring record in the Championship but are out of favour at their current club.

Signing players that have no history of scoring at this level is plain stupid.

I'm just saying thats the thinking behind it Lust, Dougie must see so!me thing in him that makes him think he'll be an asset. At this point i've no idea if he's the required quality or not. He may only be coming in short term till Beckfords back.

I don't necessarily think its the right approach but we need strikers and we don't have money so our options are limited.

I think the boro striker is coming on loan until the end of the season. Obviously his goal scoring record isn't exactly prolific, but I'll judge him after I've seen him play a couple of games.

wanderlust wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

wanderlust wrote:

karlypants wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Who are these strikers, bang in form, scoring for fun, who we can A) afford and B) would come here?

This is the reality now, we're looking at people who may have lost their way a bit or are completely out of favour at their clubs. Thats the reality.

True Hipster, can't really argue with that!

I can. Why bother wasting our money on them at all?
Let's do something different for a change. Couldn't be much worse than what we have been doing.
I'd rather see the money going into defence and creativity than yet another same old same old labouring striker.

You could argue we should already have enough creativity. 

Eagles, M.Davies, Mortiz, LCY, Danns, Hall all have natural ability they're just not showing it. Our leading striker has scored 6 goals this season. 

and i would agree if defence wasn't being targeted also but it is, so why not "try something different" in as many ways as you can, considering what we've got now isn't flourishing.

You could argue it, but you'd have a hard time proving it. That lot get a nosebleed whenever they get into the final third - which contributes to the lack of clear cut chances for our strikers.

In which case we've got a lot of buying to do.

Hipster_Nebula wrote:
as ever he's being slagged to F on twitter by Bolton fans.

From now on, we'll assume your Twatter pals are being cynical, unless stated otherwise.

DF: "I feel we're a couple of goalscorers away from being a top side."