Brexit negotiations

Tomorrows vote has been cancelled apparently- so let's see what she comes up with next

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Let's be honest. It's only the left wing who have bed wetting tantrums and take to the streets with their socialist workers party signs. 

Those who voted for brexit, despite being utterly betrayed will continue to go to work and attempt to put food on their table.

We should however consider not voting in coming elections.

You're wrong there Hipster, i personally know people who went to London for knobhead Tommy's brexit march yesterday and they are most definitely right wing as i'm sick of hearing about on facebook.

We live in interesting times.

What gets my goat is that May's cronies are still insisting that the only option is a deal that nobody voted for and nobody wants.

And they are prepared to circumvent the law and our democratic rights to railroad it through for no other reason than their own political capital. That's going well isn't it?

Interesting development. As more MPs are suggesting that scrapping Brexit remains an option, the question has been raised as to whether May can legally postpone the vote to avoid another defeat.

Apparently postponing a vote that has already been scheduled has to be decided by the house under Parliamentary rules.

Tory whips are launching their own "project fear" to try to get the rebels back in line as we speak.

May calls off the vote because she admits she won't win, but some MPs now want to have a vote on whether the vote should go ahead anyway.

It's no wonder this is such a mess with attitudes like this.

Norpig wrote:

Hipster_Nebula wrote:Let's be honest. It's only the left wing who have bed wetting tantrums and take to the streets with their socialist workers party signs. 

Those who voted for brexit, despite being utterly betrayed will continue to go to work and attempt to put food on their table.

We should however consider not voting in coming elections.

You're wrong there Hipster, i personally know people who went to London for knobhead Tommy's brexit march yesterday and they are most definitely right wing as i'm sick of hearing about on facebook.

A very small minority of nob heads.

The left are prone to calling a protest every time someone spills their tea.

She’s made a rod for her own back pandering to the right of her party - there was no way to a do a deal and deliver that for them. She had to just walk away if she was serious about that.

Had she spent the last two years doing right by the country she could have got a softer Brexit deal - this 
in between us a waste of time for us all.

She made a rod for her own back by not properly negotiating alternatives to the EU deal. This has allowed the EU to make a total mockery of this country.

She's pandered to the right of her party by bringing back a deal so universally unpopular with them they're attempting to get her out.

Those ‘red lines’ she set were for the right of her party. The EU was never going to do a deal that satisfied those limitations. So instead she’s buckled to the EU and come back with a terrible deal for everyone.

She should have made the case for the economy and negotiated a soft Brexit. It’s a lie to say there’s only one way to deliver on the referendum.

It's like a Whitehall farce. All that's missing is Brian Rix with his trousers round his ankles.

Well we were told by the PM of the time that leave was a vote to leave the EU and all its constituent bodies. I think it was quite clear.

I think most leavers would now agree they couldn't care less at this point. They have no interest in what the people think about anything.

Various figures in the leave campaign talked up Norway option. Too many different interpretations out here. At this point we should be leaving in the least damaging way for the country, at least in the short term.

My view is......Fuck off May.

My view is what is happening was always going to happen due to promising a bunch of unattainable and unrealistic objectives to gain political traction BEFORE negotiations had even started.

May has delivered a masterclass in how not to negotiate.

Her latest last minute u-turn on the vote has made her a complete and utter joke. She is going to come back from Brussels with nothing and be defeated. She has no plan B. She is just delaying the inevitable.

xmiles wrote:May has delivered a masterclass in how not to negotiate.

Her latest last minute u-turn on the vote has made her a complete and utter joke. She is going to come back from Brussels with nothing and be defeated. She has no plan B. She is just delaying the inevitable.

Despite the EU having already stated that they will make no further concessions she's off to Brussels specifically to discuss the NI border - as if that's the only thing wrong with the deal she has struck.

Clearly this is an attempt to win back the support of the DUP so she would then be in a position to railroad the rest of it through.

As she's not even discussing the other problematic issues with the deal including the lost billions and future costs of Galileo, Gibraltar concessions to the Spanish, Channel port blockages, business uncertainty, broken cross border security arrangements etc - let alone the absence of trade deals - surely the British people can finally see that Brexit is not about EU withdrawal - it's about political maneuverings and power.

Anyone seen the claim that Brexit will cost Britain £2 BILLION A WEEK? (Compared to the leave campaign's spurious £350 million cost of remaining claim)

Personally I think the claim is disputable - despite using the Government's own figures - as it centres on the Government's own downwardly revised growth figures.

Whilst the Government currently accepts that Brexit will damage growth in every region of Britain the extent of the damage Brexit will cause can be argued.

Surely the focus should be on the undisputable costs we already know about e.g. the lost investment in and cost of replacing Galileo (£25 to £30 billion) the cost of the new cross border security arrangements (yet TBA) the "divorce bill" (£39 billion) etc and then apply realistic assessment measures to start to work out the short, medium and long term costs. 
Otherwise the figures will be as rubbish as the leave campaign lies and nobody will believe them.

xmiles wrote:May has delivered a masterclass in how not to negotiate.

Her latest last minute u-turn on the vote has made her a complete and utter joke. She is going to come back from Brussels with nothing and be defeated. She has no plan B. She is just delaying the inevitable.

Mark my words, she will grasp victory from the jaws of defeat.

I'm currently scouting spots to place the life size Theresa May statue that I made out of papier mache.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

xmiles wrote:May has delivered a masterclass in how not to negotiate.

Her latest last minute u-turn on the vote has made her a complete and utter joke. She is going to come back from Brussels with nothing and be defeated. She has no plan B. She is just delaying the inevitable.

Mark my words, she will grasp victory from the jaws of defeat.

I'm currently scouting spots to place the life size Theresa May statue that I made out of papier mache.

If shes ever within my arms length, I'm going to punch her in the face!