Public Sector Pay Rises: The End?

bwfc71 wrote:Remember this, though.....

Once all the changes have taken place over 3 million people will have lost their job in the Public Sector - that means 3 million unemployed of which there are not 3 million jobs in the Private Sector so whats goingt o happen to those who cannot get a job, as there are not enough jobs - live off benefits?
Also what about those on a minimum wage, or a living wage, in the Private Sector who have to have their salaries subsiside by benefits just to live a basic life

Wouldn't it be better to give a better pay-deal to everyone and make sure they get a cost-of-living pay rise each year rather than living/relying on benefits which we all contribute to - thus saving the Government even more money and helping to reduce the national debt, and actually increase work efficiency and make workers feel that they are part fo the business!

It will be cheaper for the Government to pay 3 million people unemployment than to pay them high salaries with automatic raises each year.

It has already been mentioned but these pay rises are not automatic. They are pay increments. They are paid to recognise that when a person is promoted they are not paid the rate for the job, they are paid less than this. Then for a number of years they will receive a pay increase until they reach the rate for the job. They then do not get any further pay increases. The annual increments will not be paid if the employee's performance is unsatisfactory. 

Talk of automatic pay increases is deliberately misleading and typical of the attempts by this government to blame public sector workers for the problems we are experiencing due to the sheer greed of their rich chums in banking. If they really want to improve their finances they could actually do something about making the rich individuals and companies enjoying the benefits of being based in the UK pay some fucking tax.

XM I agree, only a two bob tory would disagree, put your tin hat on!

wanderlust wrote:I'm not sure they do get paid more. The private sector has all the lowest paid jobs for the many (factory workers and shop assistants etc) and the highest paid jobs for the few. The difference is that all public sector workers get salary plus all the Employment Act legal benefits and a pension which gives a false picture of how much public sector employees actually get when the on-costs are included - it's not just what's in the pay packet - you have to include pension schemes, healthcare, holiday pay and other benefits to get a real picture.

Pension schemes which the Private Sector can have, and by end of 2015 legally should have as ALL employees should be part of an emplpoyers Pension Scheme which will be paid for by tax -payers (above and beyond teh State Pension) - so what is happening now to the Public Sector could happen to EVERYONE in the future with regards to ALL pensions - so watch thsi sspace and lets see if you are haappy if the Governemnt suddenly decide to lower your pension without your agreement!

Healthcare - I know of no-one in the Public Secor who have a healthcare plan - well not one that is exclusive to public secor workers!!!  They have the same opportunity to join one as those that do in the Private Sector!!! Plus it comes off their wage and is NOT an addition to their wage!

Holiday Pay - who gets that?  There is no such thing as holiday pay in the UK.  There is overtime pay that can be paid in a lumpsum once a year or even tax relief but no-one in the UK, especially in the public secor is paid money to go on holiday. Up to 5 days can be either bought or sold, so if someone sells 5 days then they get above normal salary for those days - which also can happen in the Private Sector, but buying is bought from the wage and NOT an addition to the wage!

What other "exclusive" benefits, which are not open to the Private Sector?

When I was with the RBS I was on £12,000 a year with a 10% profit share, share-save scheme, 100% pension, option to join a Healthcare scheme, discounts on PC's and other material goods, as well as being able to increase my holiday leave by 5 days, at a savings cost or even sell 5 days for a good deal.  Now that was up until I left which was October 2006 and don't forget that RBS was, and still is, in the Private Sector - far better deal than anyone in the Public Sector!!!

xmiles wrote:It has already been mentioned but these pay rises are not automatic. They are pay increments. They are paid to recognise that when a person is promoted they are not paid the rate for the job, they are paid less than this. Then for a number of years they will receive a pay increase until they reach the rate for the job. They then do not get any further pay increases. The annual increments will not be paid if the employee's performance is unsatisfactory. 

Talk of automatic pay increases is deliberately misleading and typical of the attempts by this government to blame public sector workers for the problems we are experiencing due to the sheer greed of their rich chums in banking. If they really want to improve their finances they could actually do something about making the rich individuals and companies enjoying the benefits of being based in the UK pay some fucking tax.

I also agree

Its called spin as to what information both the Political Parties and the Press give to the minions - selected peices of information and not the whole 100% picture - they normally give only about 30% of the true picture!

xmiles wrote:It has already been mentioned but these pay rises are not automatic. They are pay increments. They are paid to recognise that when a person is promoted they are not paid the rate for the job, they are paid less than this. Then for a number of years they will receive a pay increase until they reach the rate for the job. They then do not get any further pay increases. The annual increments will not be paid if the employee's performance is unsatisfactory. 

Talk of automatic pay increases is deliberately misleading and typical of the attempts by this government to blame public sector workers for the problems we are experiencing due to the sheer greed of their rich chums in banking. If they really want to improve their finances they could actually do something about making the rich individuals and companies enjoying the benefits of being based in the UK pay some fucking tax.

Stop using Starbucks and Google for a start.