I'm With Alan Brazil

Hipster_Nebula wrote: He also said he was glad it "wasn't robbie williams" which is honestly just a fairly weird and spiteful comment, but again, entitled to have that view.

If he'd been a good friend of Robbie Williams that would have been fair comment, but apparently he's never met the bloke. Very weird thing to say.

Very bold of you to say, RT.

Apologies for my boldness. I'm on holiday and my internet access leaves much to be desired.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

Do you agree people should be able to say what they like as long as it's legal?

Yes. People seem to think they have the "right" not to be offended these days. Just because something is offensive to some people doesn't mean it should be banned. Idiots will always find something to be offended by. Here are three words/phrases that some people are offended by because they don't understand what these words actually mean:
1. niggardly
2. brain storm
3. nitty gritty

I'll agree with the last 2. But does anybody need to say niggardly really?

I don't think Brazil should be sacked by the way, just not bother saying in future.

an old friend of mine recently commited suicide, you may have seen it in the Bolton News this week, very sad news as he was only my age and had a wife and kids.
We had lost touch over the years but had been good friends right through school,and beyond for a few years so i can't really say what his state of mind was like but it must have seemed like the only way out of whatever problems he had.
Whether that can be called cowardly is open to discussion, i just hope i never get to that stage.

bwfc1874 wrote:I'll agree with the last 2. But does anybody need to say niggardly really?

Its roots and derivation have absolutely nothing to do with the "N" word, so why shouldn't it be used?

It's like thinking you can't say "puff of smoke" because it might offend gay people.

If I get to the point of feeling ready to top myself I hope I have the wherewithal to think what else I could do before I go. After all that is the point where an individual has absolutely nothing left to lose. Mortgage the house and have a party until the money is gone and then go to the Himalayas to do it. Try everything. Only when everything has been explored would I be ready. And the process of trying everything may change my mind. Suicide is unimaginative IMO.

It's far too easy to say "Oh, I know I would never do that."

I'm no expert, but I would imagine that the majority of suicide cases are severely depressed - you'd have to be, by definition.

And by "depressed", I mean complete with clinical diagnosis, not just a bit fed up.

Clinical depression causes changes to the brain's chemistry and you literally become a different person to the one all your family and friends know, therefore, things which you would never have imagined possible and actions well out of previous character become eminently feasible.

It's a complicated subject and you can't just throw a blanket over everybody who feels so bereft of hope that they take their own life and label them cowards.

As for Brazil, I don't think he should be sacked....just told to stop and think more in future before offering his "considered" opinion.

Breadman wrote:

And by "depressed", I mean complete with clinical diagnosis, not just a bit fed up.

I am yet to be convinced there is a difference. Just because an "expert" says you're depressed does that mean it's ok to top yourself?

You only get one life, you should use it. What a waste.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

You only get one life, you should use it. What a waste.

Not according to Buddhism.

scottjames30 wrote:
Not according to Buddhism.

I'm not a Buddha though.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

scottjames30 wrote:
Not according to Buddhism.

I'm not a Buddha though.

...and neither are you a medical professional, so yet again, you are talking through the one functioning orifice left in your knickers.

A very close family member of mine suffered for years with clinical depression and believe me, it's a very real condition.

Natasha Whittam wrote:

scottjames30 wrote:
Not according to Buddhism.

I'm not a Buddha though.

I know, I tend to favour the Buddha.

Breadman wrote:

bwfc1874 wrote:I'll agree with the last 2. But does anybody need to say niggardly really?

Its roots and derivation have absolutely nothing to do with the "N" word, so why shouldn't it be used?

It's like thinking you can't say "puff of smoke" because it might offend gay people.

It wouldn't offend me, but I just think if some people are offended by it why bother using it? Surely nobody's going to miss saying it.

Breadman wrote:It's far too easy to say "Oh, I know I would never do that."

I'm no expert, but I would imagine that the majority of suicide cases are severely depressed - you'd have to be, by definition.

And by "depressed", I mean complete with clinical diagnosis, not just a bit fed up.

Clinical depression causes changes to the brain's chemistry and you literally become a different person to the one all your family and friends know, therefore, things which you would never have imagined possible and actions well out of previous character become eminently feasible.

It's a complicated subject and you can't just throw a blanket over everybody who feels so bereft of hope that they take their own life and label them cowards.

As for Brazil, I don't think he should be sacked....just told to stop and think more in future before offering his "considered" opinion.

Spot on.

Breadman wrote:

A very close family member of mine suffered for years with clinical depression and believe me, it's a very real condition.

I'm not saying people don't get "down" or "pissed off" or "unhappy", but the question I always ask that no one can give an answer to is what is the difference between depression and being unhappy?

I don't think there's any difference, but if you're labelled "depressed" you get sympathy, if you're just unhappy people tell you to pull yourself together and go and get pissed.

This thread is about freedom of speech you plonker.