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81I'm With Alan Brazil - Page 5 Empty Re: I'm With Alan Brazil Fri Aug 15 2014, 12:55

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

How would I know considering I'm not a doctor? And, I hate to break it to you, neither are you.

If you were really interested in the topic, which you're not, you'd educate yourself.

82I'm With Alan Brazil - Page 5 Empty Re: I'm With Alan Brazil Fri Aug 15 2014, 12:59

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Hipster_Nebula wrote:How would I know considering I'm not a doctor? And, I hate to break it to you, neither are you.

If you were really interested in the topic, which you're not, you'd educate yourself.

I am a doctor. I have a PhD.

I am extremely interested in the topic actually, hadn't you guessed. I just don't subscribe to the theory that "depression" is a disease like cancer or AIDS.

I don't doubt people get very, very unhappy but to waste money on "treatment" is simply ridiculous. There's a smell of king's new clothes about it.

83I'm With Alan Brazil - Page 5 Empty Re: I'm With Alan Brazil Fri Aug 15 2014, 13:05

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

You're not a doctor. You pretend you have a PHD on a football forum, in any case your pretend PHD isn't medical and thus you have absolutely no basis on which to speak with certainties on this topic in the way you tend too. 

Though I certainly hope it doesn't happen, I'm sure you will tell a loved one or a relative struggling with depression or mental illness that they're faking it and for them not to seek help and just "get on with it." The kind of sad regressive nonsense that sadly leads to people young and old living a life of personal torment or worse. 

Entitled to your views by the way, but do continue to do your "research."

84I'm With Alan Brazil - Page 5 Empty Re: I'm With Alan Brazil Fri Aug 15 2014, 13:12

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Hipster_Nebula wrote:

Though I certainly hope it doesn't happen, I'm sure you will tell a loved one or a relative struggling with depression or mental illness that they're faking it and for them not to seek help and just "get on with it." The kind of sad regressive nonsense that sadly leads to people young and old living a life of personal torment or worse. 


I've not said anything about mental illness.

I don't think people fake depression, if doctors are telling people they've got depression of course they're going to believe they have it.

You say telling someone "to get on with it" is regressive and nonsense, I say spending billions on a disease that doesn't exist is equally stupid.

Derek is depressed because he's lost his job and has no cash. He wins the lottery and Derek is happy again.

Rodney gets dumped so is depressed, he starts dating a model and is happy again.

It really is that simple.

85I'm With Alan Brazil - Page 5 Empty Re: I'm With Alan Brazil Fri Aug 15 2014, 13:12

Guest


Guest

To be honest you don't need to be a doctor to see the effects of depression. 

One of my close friends has suffered from severe depression over the last few years, it runs in his family but has been perpetuated by events in his own life. Going to university helped, kept him busy, plenty of interaction etc but since he graduated in June he's been slipping back into his old ways. He's normally very active, goes to the gym, socialises a lot but you can barely get him out of bed never mind out the house and when he does he's in his own world and if you get him talking it only ever leads back to the issue which set off his problems - it's literally like being with a different person.

It's a very real disease that is easy to recognise if you have any experience of it.

86I'm With Alan Brazil - Page 5 Empty Re: I'm With Alan Brazil Fri Aug 15 2014, 13:13

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Guest

Hipster....what are you doing?

Deny the fire oxygen and it goes out quickly........

87I'm With Alan Brazil - Page 5 Empty Re: I'm With Alan Brazil Fri Aug 15 2014, 13:15

Hipster_Nebula

Hipster_Nebula
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Breadman wrote:Hipster....what are you doing?

Deny the fire oxygen and it goes out quickly........

Putting Nat in her place... again. 

 :number1:

88I'm With Alan Brazil - Page 5 Empty Re: I'm With Alan Brazil Fri Aug 15 2014, 13:16

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

bwfc1874 wrote:To be honest you don't need to be a doctor to see the effects of depression. 

One of my close friends has suffered from severe depression over the last few years, it runs in his family but has been perpetuated by events in his own life. Going to university helped, kept him busy, plenty of interaction etc but since he graduated in June he's been slipping back into his old ways. He's normally very active, goes to the gym, socialises a lot but you can barely get him out of bed never mind out the house and when he does he's in his own world and if you get him talking it only ever leads back to the issue which set off his problems - it's literally like being with a different person.

It's a very real disease that is easy to recognise if you have any experience of it.

It's not a disease though, you don't catch it. It's purely a mental thing. You say your friend was happy when he was at university when he had things to occupy his time - then he became unhappy once he graduated and slipped back into his old ways.

I'm sorry but that's not a disease, it's boredom.

89I'm With Alan Brazil - Page 5 Empty Re: I'm With Alan Brazil Fri Aug 15 2014, 13:19

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I said it helped, he certainly wasn't happy. He'd still have down times when you couldn't reason with him, it's just that being in social situations and having less time to obsess over it helped. He's also been on the highest dose of anti-depressants for the last few years which helps keep him up.

It's nothing to do with boredom.

90I'm With Alan Brazil - Page 5 Empty Re: I'm With Alan Brazil Fri Aug 15 2014, 13:20

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Guest

Nat, normally you're quite funny but this is just degenerating into pointless, offensive drivel.

You've got your reaction.

Why not let it go....?

91I'm With Alan Brazil - Page 5 Empty Re: I'm With Alan Brazil Fri Aug 15 2014, 13:22

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

bwfc1874 wrote:I said it helped, he certainly wasn't happy. He'd still have down times when you couldn't reason with him, it's just that being in social situations and having less time to obsess over it helped. He's also been on the highest dose of anti-depressants for the last few years which helps keep him up.

It's nothing to do with boredom.

It's everything to do with it. I bet if he had a job he enjoyed and a girlfriend/wife he loved he would be off the pills in a matter of hours.

People love to feel sorry for themselves, even I have been known to do it, but to label it a disease is an insult to people with real diseases.

92I'm With Alan Brazil - Page 5 Empty Re: I'm With Alan Brazil Fri Aug 15 2014, 13:33

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How do you expect somebody who has no energy to leave the house and obsesses over one small part of his life to go out and find a girlfriend?

Anti-depressants are incredibly difficult to come off, leading to users getting even more depressed than they would have been. He's pretty dependant on them now.

Just drop it Nat.

93I'm With Alan Brazil - Page 5 Empty Re: I'm With Alan Brazil Fri Aug 15 2014, 13:50

Boggersbelief

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Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Natasha Whittam wrote:
Hipster_Nebula wrote:Good point I'll take your word for it over the doctors and scientists who study patients day in day out for the their whole lives.

So I'll ask you the question Breadman chickened out of answering - how can a doctor diagnose "depression" in a 15 minute appointment?

Does he have a scale of how pissed off a person is?

Bit unhappy: Dougie Freedman becomes manager
Unhappy: Bolton sign Darren Pratley
Very unhappy: Bolton get stuffed at Watford
Suicidal: Freedman gets new 10 year contract
http://www.m.webmd.com/depression/guide/depression-diagnosis?page=2

94I'm With Alan Brazil - Page 5 Empty Re: I'm With Alan Brazil Fri Aug 15 2014, 15:39

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Breadman wrote:Nat, normally you're quite funny but this is just degenerating into pointless, offensive drivel.

You've got your reaction.

Why not let it go....?

I feel quite strongly about this issue, perhaps if you were running a small business and people were costing you money by ringing in sick with "depression" you might feel differently.

I think you were the one that said "depression" causes a change in the brain - so how do doctors get this from a 15 minute chat with a patient?

Can you honestly say that in many cases people aren't using "depression" as an excuse to be lazy buggers?

95I'm With Alan Brazil - Page 5 Empty Re: I'm With Alan Brazil Fri Aug 15 2014, 15:40

Natasha Whittam

Natasha Whittam
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

bwfc1874 wrote:How do you expect somebody who has no energy to leave the house and obsesses over one small part of his life to go out and find a girlfriend?

Anti-depressants are incredibly difficult to come off, leading to users getting even more depressed than they would have been. He's pretty dependant on them now.

Just drop it Nat.

That sounds like OCD, not depression.

And if he's addicted to pills, that's a drug problem not "depression"

96I'm With Alan Brazil - Page 5 Empty Re: I'm With Alan Brazil Fri Aug 15 2014, 15:54

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Ok, against my better judgement, I'll indulge you.

When a patient presents with what appear to be the symptoms of depression, they will be evaluated by their GP and may be prescribed very mild anti-depressants.

However, this is not the end of the diagnostic process.

They will then have blood tests to identify any changes in the blood's chemical composition which may be indicators of the changes in the brain that I mentioned.

They will also be sent to a specialist who can identify any alterations in the brain's neurological function.

And at this point, they can be formally diagnosed with Clinical Depression.

But you already knew all that, didn't you?

I'm just posting it so that the neutral reader can see that I have countered your spurious arguments with facts (even though you contend that I don't like them), in the hope that they will see just how much rubbish you're spouting on this topic......again.

Did someone close to you suffer from Depression during your formative years?

Did they abandon you?

Is that why you seem so dismissive of it as a recognised disease and why you come across as being angry about people who suffer from it?

Is all this about you and your personal demons?

Has that trauma left an indelible mark upon your soul?

Because that's what it's starting to look like...........and I'm not having a go at you for it, but I would suggest you go and seek some professional help because you obviously have some serious unresolved issues regarding this whole subject.

97I'm With Alan Brazil - Page 5 Empty Re: I'm With Alan Brazil Fri Aug 15 2014, 16:40

Sluffy

Sluffy
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I'm a lot out of my depth on this subject but is depression an illness?

What I mean is where does it come from, are you born with it, or is it something that, I don't know, you catch?

I know you can't 'catch' it like catching a cold but I heard a bit about the Robin Williams story that taking drugs can 'help' it along the way so to speak.

Can somebody with no family mental health issues and who looks after their body just come down with it one day?

I've had some shitty things happen to me over the years - I'm sure we all have - but I've put a brave face on, got back up and got on with my life. I think that's what most of us do.

Perhaps I'm a bit neanderthal about understanding of the issue because of my age and upbringing of having to look out for myself?

98I'm With Alan Brazil - Page 5 Empty Re: I'm With Alan Brazil Fri Aug 15 2014, 19:06

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The simple answer is "yes" anyone can become clinically depressed.

I am no expert on the subject by any means but as I said previously, I have seen it at first hand, up close and personal.

And it's frightening.

There are differing types and degrees of clinical depression and I can only really talk about the one form that I have had experience of.

I had it explained to me by a doctor as "the physical residue of coping with elevated levels of stress for a sustained period."

When you're going through some shit, your body has in-built mechanisms for coping. It regulates its own chemical balance and makes tiny adjustments to keep you on an even keel.

Depression can occur either when finally it all gets too much and your body can't physically cope any more and things start to break down or (and this is the interesting one for me) all the shit has stopped and things are starting to look up.

And this second manifestation is the one that confuses people - the "What's he got to be depressed about?" thing that you hear so often.

I can't remember exactly what he said but it went along the lines of, your body has become so used to coping with the stress for so long, it becomes locked-in to that way of operating and when the stress is removed, it carries on fiddling with the chemical balance in the brain and this causes the problems.

And the frightening thing is, you may not even have been aware that you were under stress in the first place, so when Depression strikes, you haven't a clue what's going on and it floors you.


You think you're losing your mind and you don't know why.


So in summary, yes it's real and yes it can strike anybody.

99I'm With Alan Brazil - Page 5 Empty Re: I'm With Alan Brazil Fri Aug 15 2014, 19:42

Sluffy

Sluffy
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Thanks for that Bread, it gives me a much better understanding now.

I, like most people, have been under all sorts of stress over the years but I guess I must have been lucky in the sense that even going through a loads of personal shit I've always got out the otherside more or less ok.

Hopefully I'll come out ok the next time things go wrong for me too!

100I'm With Alan Brazil - Page 5 Empty Re: I'm With Alan Brazil Fri Aug 15 2014, 19:47

BoltonTillIDie

BoltonTillIDie
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

I'm on my mobile so I can't copy and paste easily but here's Jason Manford's views on Robin Williams depression

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jason-manford-robin-williams-suicide-4057030

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