Next Labour leader

gloswhite wrote:Sorry guys, but as a non-Labour voter, I really can't see him as a PM. He's already showing that he's playing politics by trying to appease all stakeholders rather than committing, even generally, to a particular 'theme' that he would prefer to pursue, (unless I've missed something).

Of course he's playing politics - he wants to get elected.
And surely appealing to all stakeholders in order to reunite a divided and broken party is exactly what's needed in a leadership election Glos?

As for "themes" - well Boris had one theme and that will be past it's sell-by date before long leaving him with nothing but a fire fighting exercise.

Perhaps salvaging what's left of the Labour party is Sir Keir's "theme"?

wanderlust wrote:

gloswhite wrote:Sorry guys, but as a non-Labour voter, I really can't see him as a PM. He's already showing that he's playing politics by trying to appease all stakeholders rather than committing, even generally, to a particular 'theme' that he would prefer to pursue, (unless I've missed something).

Of course he's playing politics - he wants to get elected.
And surely appealing to all stakeholders in order to reunite a divided and broken party is exactly what's needed in a leadership election Glos?
Its this sort of approach that got them into the situation they are now in, as nobody knows what they are really getting. You cannot repair something that is hell-bent on ripping itself apart. He should be honest as that is the future he would be working for.

As for "themes" - well Boris had one theme and that will be past it's sell-by date before long leaving him with nothing but a fire fighting exercise.
It was a theme that is going to possibly change the fortunes of the country, both financially, and politically, for some years to come. It seems that the electorate wanted this issue sorted more than anything, and it was Boris who clearly saw this.

Perhaps salvaging what's left of the Labour party is Sir Keir's "theme"?
Perhaps he should be thinking of the wider issues rather than an out-of-favour political party that is trying to re-elect the same old dross it managed to lose the election with.

As I've said previously I prefer Lisa Nandy, but we all know the one we will get is the one selected by the faceless £25 raffle punters. What a way to appoint a possible Prime Minister.

Most of the £25 raffle punters are Tories.

It did cross my mind 

I prefer Lisa Nandy too and hope she can be the new leader after Sir Keir's term.

I can remember  young Keir when he used to deliver sacks of Nutty slack to my gran's.

She always used to treat  him to a slice of hovis when he called, he was so grateful despite

the lack of butter.

Did he live in't hole in't road? Haven't heard the term 'Nutty Slack' for decades 

I’m slightly put off by Starmer as, like Burnham, I’m not totally convinced he’s as genuinely left wing as he’s claiming to be. I could be way off though, need to see the leadership debates.

gloswhite wrote:Did he live in't hole in't road? Haven't heard the term 'Nutty Slack' for decades 

No, in a large paper bag in a septic tank!!!!

I believe the Labour Party has an outdated view of what a typical Labour supporter is, and what they want.
What do the Labourites on here think a modern Labour supporter is ?

gloswhite wrote:I believe the Labour Party has an outdated view of what a typical Labour supporter is, and what they want.
What do the Labourites on here think a modern Labour supporter is ?

I agree that too many of the candidates are playing to this stereotype. Only 14% of the population is working class and even if they all voted Labour it wouldn't be anywhere near enough to win a general election.

The reality is that most Labour voters live in cities and towns and voted remain. They are younger than Tory voters and more likely to be better educated.

As to what they want, I would guess better public services, fairer taxation and less inequality would be high priorities.

This comment surprised me:

They are younger than Tory voters and more likely to be better educated.


I know you like your stats, etc, but where did this one come from? I've not heard this (interpretation ?) before.

Here we go, heading for the crowded middle ground again. Wear a dark suit and don't frighten the horses.
Thirteen years of Labour should have made the NHS Tory proof. They failed.
They can stick their middle ground up their arse.

An eight year old has just told me off for writing 'arse'. I'm sorry.

You just never know when they're looking over your shoulder.

T.R.O.Y wrote:I’m slightly put off by Starmer as, like Burnham, I’m not totally convinced he’s as genuinely left wing as he’s claiming to be. I could be way off though, need to see the leadership debates.

He used to be a Trotskyist did he not. He's attempting to bury his hard left past because he knows it's totally unpalatable to the electorate. 

He also spent the last few years campaigning for another EU ref, something else he will have to bury.

The hard left of the party hate him already.

Centrists might swing behind gobshite Phillips if starmer slips up.

Lots of Trots still in the party HN. Starmer looks the safe bet, but he won't do it without the left.

gloswhite wrote:This comment surprised me:

They are younger than Tory voters and more likely to be better educated.


I know you like your stats, etc, but where did this one come from? I've not heard this (interpretation ?) before.

Are you really surprised that Labour voters are younger than Tory voters glos?

Here is a link to yougov:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjD2uWp1_7mAhUCYsAKHXePCuYQFjABegQICRAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fyougov.co.uk%2Ftopics%2Fpolitics%2Farticles-reports%2F2019%2F10%2F31%2F2019-general-election-demographics-dividing-britai&usg=AOvVaw1Wx0V8Pvo4yyWeDcFR4Gc1

From a demographic perspective, whilst it has always been the case that many people become more right wing as they get older and that people are living longer, the stats do imply that over the next few years or so the support for the Tories will have dwindled off due to "natural change".
In rough terms the Tories will lose 58% of half a million voters per annum going forward - roughly 300,000 per year whilst Labour will get a net gain in voters.

Interestingly, given the proportion of vote share the stats show that the Lib Dems have far and away the best educated fan base and across all age groups.

Haha.

Yes they said that before the last election didn't they.

In case you haven't noticed. Labour are about to move themselves to the right, young voter apathy will likely return.

We were all young once, I was lib dem for most of my life because I wanted to "protest" the government.

We all grow up though.  I'm still socially liberal of course but all left wing parties are currently a disgrace.

Thornberry and Lewis will go out in the first round.