okocha wrote:I'm not making any point: I simply suggested you watch what Hislop had to say and make your own mind up, as you did with Ms McGuinness.
It would be interesting, Sluffy, if you could list all the things that you feel Boris and his ministers should be congratulated for (omitting the roll-out of the vaccine which we can all see the NHS and government have done well)
I remember you saying that comparisons with other countries is unfair, so let's not go down that road.....just a list of great, timely decisions and actions/words.
I did say comparisons with other countries should not be considered factual - do you really believe the death statistics from China, Russia, North Korea, Iran and a whole load of others who have obviously hid the truth. I don't however believe the likes of Spain and Portugal have been telling porkies about them do you?
I also said I wasn't looking to praise the government for doing their job, which the fall in death rate from highest in Europe at the start of the pandemic falling to seventh by December seems to indicate that in comparison to those six country's that overtook us (and probably others too) clearly suggests that the government were dealing better with the pandemic than they were over that period. I think that is unarguable.
And fwiw, and not that I wished it to happen but the country at the 2019 General Election clearly voted for Johnson's government and it delivered Brexit, unlike May's was unable to.
The alternative to all this would have been a Labour Government led by Corbyn, would they have resolved Brexit one way or the other, or dealt with the pandemic any better?
We'll never know but considering Corbyn and his mates (both MP's and on the NEC) were quickly 'dumped' by the rest of the Labour Party as soon as they decently could, hardly suggests unity within the party does it?
I may as well lob in the anti-semitism too which Corbyn let fester - hardly without sin is he?
As for Hislop, how can anyone make their mind up on his lampoon?
Maybe it is only me but does no one else question what they hear?
I mean is it really likely that a bunch of Russians walk into No. 10 Downing Street and bug the place and nobody thinks anything about it at the time???
Surely you have to have security clearance to get past the main gate let alone inside the building - that I would imagine would undertake extensive vetting or otherwise anyone could turn up and plant a bomb inside let alone a bug!
Also if it is true the company is a subby to Interserve, the it is Interserve and not the government that paid them.
Interserve may well have agreed a price with the government but even if it was for £2.6m if that total is correct, I doubt Megahertz who did the work received that.
Also I would have thought it would be standard practise for the security service at No 10 to continually be sweeping the building and surrounds for any form of breach in security such as listening devises?
I like Hislop he's funny and has a good brain in his head, he got his point across in a very telling way, but when you think in through a bit, it doesn't really stand up - or not at least in the way he makes it out to be.
A russian owned company which was formerly a British company, and who has an international track record of doing such work, was hired as a sub-contractor to a British owned company that had an existing contract with the government to undertake specialist work required by No. 10.
Presumably they quoted for the work and Interserve quoted the government what they (Interserve) would charge for the work to be done. I assume everybody was ultimately happy with the eventual outcome and a contract was given by Interserve to Megahertz.
No doubt Megahertz had to supply details of all their employees who would need access to No 10 and all were checked out and vetted by the government security services.
It seems more than likely to me that those employed were British nationals, living in Britain, who probably have worked for the British firm (based in Ely, Cambridgeshire I believe - part of the Silicon Fen fwiw
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Fen ) for more than a week or two. I really doubt Igor and Vladimir flew in from the Kremlin to do the job, do you, although that is clearly the impression you are giving.
It just doesn't seem to stack up when you think about it really does it?
The problem is that absolutely loads of people believe stuff like this to be true without any facts being proved whatsoever - seems you are one of them.
QAnon believers stormed the Capitol when it was in sitting, carry on like we are with all this social media stirring and inuendo and I wonder how long it will take for those who listen only to the voices from social media storm the Houses of Parliament?
Seems to be heading that way with the numbers of people who seem to believe as gospel everything on Twitter and Facebook!
I just don't understand why people are happy to swallow such stuff without seemingly a second thought - I mean you don't have to be Einstein to think 'really, a bunch of Russians have just bugged 10 Downing Street and MI5/MI6/James Bond (or whoever does these things) just let them walk in and do it???'.