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261How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Tue Nov 17 2020, 15:09

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Latest YouGov poll released today says only 38% of people now think Brexit was the right decision (down 3% from the last poll) whilst the number of people who think it was the wrong decision currently stands at 51% and "don't knows" are 11%.
Of course this is all with the benefit of hindsight but as support for Brexit continues to dwindle away it is increasingly apparent that the Government doesn't pay attention to the public feeling. I'm just wondering what will happen when the nation fully realises the implications.

262How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Wed Nov 18 2020, 12:21

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Whilst at this stage there is no evidence of corruption we have to ask why an American jewellery designer was paid £21 million "consultancy" to source PPE for the NHS as widely reported e.g. here.
I could have done it for £20 million and saved the British taxpayer a fortune.
But how does a US jewellery designer even get considered for such an important role let alone negotiate almost 10% commission?

263How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Wed Nov 18 2020, 13:07

Sluffy

Sluffy
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wanderlust wrote:Whilst at this stage there is no evidence of corruption we have to ask why an American jewellery designer was paid £21 million "consultancy" to source PPE for the NHS as widely reported e.g. here.
I could have done it for £20 million and saved the British taxpayer a fortune.
But how does a US jewellery designer even get considered for such an important role let alone negotiate almost 10% commission?

Here we go again!

Global pandemic - emergency need for PPE's in face of global competition - 80% of world manufacture is China - China in lockdown - need to access China manufacturers - people with access to current Chinas manufacturers invited to contact UK Gov - Saiger had and did - the middleman between Saiger and China being the Spanish agent/short term contractor - contract awarded - PPE's obtained and delivered - UK Gov pays Saiger - Saiger seemingly has dispute with Spanish short term contractor who leaves and is taking legal action over unpaid money to him from Saiger.

So it would seem contrary to the newspaper headiness that Saiger was NOT paid £21m consultancy - that is what the Spanish short term contractor is claiming he is owed by Saiger - who disputes it.

Nothing to do with the UK Gov as such and to be quite frank nobody seems to have published any details that I have seen about the court case filed in Miami that started the story (witch hunt?) from the BBC and the media.

Shouldn't we hear all the facts before making judging people guilty?

264How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Wed Nov 18 2020, 14:05

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Sluffy wrote:

Here we go again!

Global pandemic - emergency need for PPE's in face of global competition - 80% of world manufacture is China - China in lockdown - need to access China manufacturers - people with access to current Chinas manufacturers invited to contact UK Gov - Saiger had and did - the middleman between Saiger and China being the Spanish agent/short term contractor - contract awarded - PPE's obtained and delivered - UK Gov pays Saiger - Saiger seemingly has dispute with Spanish short term contractor who leaves and is taking legal action over unpaid money to him from Saiger.

So it would seem contrary to the newspaper headiness that Saiger was NOT paid £21m consultancy - that is what the Spanish short term contractor is claiming he is owed by Saiger - who disputes it.

Nothing to do with the UK Gov as such and to be quite frank nobody seems to have published any details that I have seen about the court case filed in Miami that started the story (witch hunt?) from the BBC and the media.

Shouldn't we hear all the facts before making judging people guilty?
Get off your high horse. I didn't judge anyone. I said "we have to ask why".
Especially as we have UKTI (now rebranded as the Dept of International Trade) which has been working in China for the past 40 years, a British Embassy in China with a permanent trade delegation and hundreds of British businessmen with extensive high level business contacts and existing partnerships in China.
Surely asking why an American jeweller got the gig is a valid question?

265How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Wed Nov 18 2020, 14:17

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Of course, TROY, just as valid questions were asked about Dido Harding's ludicrous appointment to lead Test, Track and Trace, given her connections and previous record. Those questions were ignored....that went well, didn't it?!

266How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Wed Nov 18 2020, 14:45

Sluffy

Sluffy
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wanderlust wrote:
Sluffy wrote:

Here we go again!

Global pandemic - emergency need for PPE's in face of global competition - 80% of world manufacture is China - China in lockdown - need to access China manufacturers - people with access to current Chinas manufacturers invited to contact UK Gov - Saiger had and did - the middleman between Saiger and China being the Spanish agent/short term contractor - contract awarded - PPE's obtained and delivered - UK Gov pays Saiger - Saiger seemingly has dispute with Spanish short term contractor who leaves and is taking legal action over unpaid money to him from Saiger.

So it would seem contrary to the newspaper headiness that Saiger was NOT paid £21m consultancy - that is what the Spanish short term contractor is claiming he is owed by Saiger - who disputes it.

Nothing to do with the UK Gov as such and to be quite frank nobody seems to have published any details that I have seen about the court case filed in Miami that started the story (witch hunt?) from the BBC and the media.

Shouldn't we hear all the facts before making judging people guilty?
Get off your high horse. I didn't judge anyone. I said "we have to ask why".
Especially as we have UKTI (now rebranded as the Dept of International Trade) which has been working in China for the past 40 years, a British Embassy in China with a permanent trade delegation and hundreds of British businessmen with extensive high level business contacts and existing partnerships in China.
Surely asking why an American jeweller got the gig is a valid question?

Did I say you made such a judgement because I didn't although clearly loads of people have!

And if you bothered to read the 'official' stuff I post you will find in respect of China, that's exactly what we did!!!

Sluffy wrote:PPE procurement in March/April 2020: the Government’s response

22. In order to address the crisis in supply of PPE, the UK Government utilised three main buying routes.  The first comprised existing suppliers, working through SCCL. The second involved using a strengthened team of staff in the UK Embassy in Beijing to identify potential sources of supply on the ground. The third, of which Clandeboye was part, comprised new suppliers who did not currently work through SCCL.

267How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Wed Nov 18 2020, 22:52

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Sale of 300 year old RSA and the continued drift away from London's Square Mile demonstrates how the markets are not swallowing Sunak's showboating. The hint he'll whack up Cap G tax isn't a bad shout IMO. I suppose someone will have to raise all taxes sooner or later.
That's in the Daily Fail but widely reported elsewhere.

268How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Thu Nov 19 2020, 14:08

sunlight

sunlight
Andy Walker
Andy Walker

We are going to be rich through fish. We will be swimming in fish. Making pig noises with all the money we will make from fish.

269How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Thu Nov 19 2020, 15:59

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

More government farce!

Plans to allow MPs who are shielding to take part in House of Commons debates via video link have been criticised for not going far enough.


The influential cross party Procedure Committee is calling on the government to allow all MPs to take part in debates virtually during the coronavirus pandemic.


At the moment, MPs can ask questions and respond to statements virtually but they are not allowed to speak during debates on legislation, or anything else, unless they are physically present in the Commons chamber.


On Monday the Leader of the Commons Jacob Rees-Mogg said the government planned to allow only MPs who are clinically vulnerable to take part in debates until the end of March.


During a short debate, the Conservative chair of the Procedure Committee Karen Bradley said his "refusal to listen" to the "views of the House" was "indefensible".
She said the public would be "baffled by a situation where the prime minister can answer Prime Minister's Questions virtually yesterday and and make a statement to the House virtually today, but cannot then take part in a debate until he has finished self isolating".


"This is an utterly farcical situation," she said.

270How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Fri Nov 20 2020, 12:18

sunlight

sunlight
Andy Walker
Andy Walker

Pritti Patel admits she flushed some of the interns lunches down the toilet occasionaly and gave them a wedgie, but she asked when that was considered bullying.

271How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Sat Nov 21 2020, 11:20

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Boris just does what he wants and damn the consequences eh?  Rolling Eyes

What was the point of having an independent enquiry if he had no intention of sacking the sneering hag?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55026137

272How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Sat Nov 21 2020, 11:45

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

Ministers and aides can flout the rules/the law but woe betide anyone who mocks his girlfriend!

273How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Sat Nov 21 2020, 14:20

Sluffy

Sluffy
Admin

Norpig wrote:Boris just does what he wants and damn the consequences eh?  Rolling Eyes

What was the point of having an independent enquiry if he had no intention of sacking the sneering hag?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55026137









I know it's a parody account before anyone gets on my case!

274How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Sat Nov 21 2020, 14:24

Norpig

Norpig
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

it's probably true Sluffy, she's a nasty piece of work  Very Happy

275How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Sat Nov 21 2020, 15:08

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

She reminds me of someone who likes the smell of her own farts..... Smile

276How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Sat Nov 21 2020, 19:35

sunlight

sunlight
Andy Walker
Andy Walker

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277How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Sun Nov 22 2020, 10:33

okocha

okocha
El Hadji Diouf
El Hadji Diouf

278How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Sun Nov 22 2020, 11:19

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

Sunak has announced that the public sector pay freeze will be accompanied by tax rises for everyone early next year to pay for this debacle - although I suspect it may be timed to coincide with the end of the furlough scheme.
Noticed that the UK and Canada have agreed to roll over the existing EU-Canada trade arrangements on an interim basis.

279How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Wed Nov 25 2020, 13:26

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

The Spectator  argues that Boris would be better off leaving the EU with no deal rather than a bad deal. Makes some valid points.

280How is the Tory government doing? - Page 14 Empty Re: How is the Tory government doing? Wed Nov 25 2020, 16:46

wanderlust

wanderlust
Nat Lofthouse
Nat Lofthouse

National Audit Office has just released a report into Government procurement of PPE.
I think the interesting part is the bit that relates to the failure to act on previous years recommendations to stockpile the requisite kit, despite the Government's own committees' recommendations which meant that we ended up paying FIVE times more than 2019 prices.
Article:

In the report the NAO said the Department for Health and Social Care (DHSC) had identified 195m items that were “potentially unsuitable” and this would “amount to hundreds of millions of pounds”.
“However, [DHSC] has not provided us with sufficient information to be able to verify these figures because, it told us, this would compromise its ability to resell the PPE,” said the NAO.
The NAO said it had identified two contracts, worth £214m, in which PPE would not be used for its original purpose because masks had ear loops rather than the required head straps. One £59m contract was with Pestfix, in which the issue was discovered after 600,000 masks had been delivered, and the other was with Ayanda Capital, which was contracted to deliver 50m masks for £155m.
“The problem of ear-loops on FFP2 respirator masks is likely to apply to tens of millions of similar masks from other suppliers,” said the report. “Most other types of PPE have also had some problems with compliance with technical standards.”
The NAO said DHSC spent £12.5bn on 32bn items of PPE between February and July 2020.
The report said prices for PPE spiked at the beginning of the outbreak compared to 2019, including a 166% rise in respirator mask prices and a 1,310% increase for body bags. Had the government bought its PPE at 2019 prices the cost would have totalled £2.5bn instead of the £12.5bn it actually paid.
The NAO said in late March the Parallel Supply Chain was created after it became clear NHS Supply Chain’s stockpiles were “insufficient” and because of the “inability of the existing NHS Supply Chain infrastructure and processes to meet increased demand”.
Through the Parallel Supply Chain, which included the “high-priority lane” for suppliers referred by politicians and officials, 322 contracts worth £8bn were awarded between March and July 2020.
The report said NHS Supply Chain warehouse staff were “overwhelmed” when orders rocketed in February, in part because stock was stored in a “deep storage” warehouse, rather broken down into smaller packages at distribution centres for faster shipments. Some stock had passed its expiry date or did not meet current standards and “there had been insufficient checks on PPE in the stockpile”. A legacy IT system could not be reconfigured to new ways of working, which meant new warehouses could not be added to the system.
The report said surveys showed at least 30% of care workers, doctors and nurses reported having insufficient PPE, while 126 deaths and 8,152 cases of Covid had been reported among health and care workers with a link to occupational exposure.

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