How is the Tory government doing?

gloswhite wrote:Can't disagree with your last comment, however look back over the last year and see how many people interpreted the rules always to their benefit. Look how much traffic is on the road now. It seems that a very high percentage of our country are so important front-liners that they can ignore most things, and just carry on, regardless of what they are advised. It would also seem that if we are locked up and told to stay in, and awful of the population will suffer from some form of mental illness. Its down to the individual at the end of the day, and we all know the rules will be broken in some form or another.

wanderlust wrote:
We have some idiots in this country but the blame lies squarely at the government’s door as...
They gave. “Advice” instead of laying down the law - there should have been no room for the interpretation you mention 
They changed that “advice” every other day so that it became clear as mud. They’re still changing it.
They set really bad examples personally eg Boris bragging about shaking hands with Covid patients on the ward
They were clearly told what needed to be done by the scientists, Starmer and other countries experience but chose to ignore best practice- and still it goes on.
Most incompetent government in modern times by a mile. Unfortunately in this case incompetence has led to genocide.

gloswhite wrote:
Looking at the time this was posted, I'm assuming you had not been up long, which is why your rant is very much OTT.  Most of what you say is right but genocide ? Get real.

Norpig wrote:The problem with Boris is he's too indecisive and has failed to take the hard decisions when needed. We didn't lockdown early enough and people coming in and out of the country hasn't been limited enough.

Add the Christmas relaxation of the rules and it shows he's not a true leader, he's more worried about upsetting people and not being seen as a popular leader.

T.R.O.Y. wrote:Recognising the many government failures while also accepting a minority haven’t followed the rules is not a difficult position to take. I think any sensible person should be able to see and accept that. Entirely blaming one or the other is ridiculous.

Sluffy wrote:

I assume that's aimed at me.

A MINORITY haven't followed the rules... a MINORITY???

I don't know of a single person, including myself, who have followed the rules to the letter from day one.

Of course my 'bending' the rules a bit might only me very minor, I classed myself as a delivery driver in order to take some stuff my daughter needed from my house to hers a few miles away during the first lockdown but although I didn't get out of the car from my door to hers (and hers to mine) and we social distance when I handed her stuff over, it was still strictly speaking wrong to have done so - let me put it this way, I wouldn't dared to have done it if I was a Chinese bloke in China with their harsh treatment to anyone who disobeys.

So where does these types of bending the rules a little bit become full breaking of them, university students enjoying freshers party's because they know Covid is harmless to them, someone having the family and friends round to celebrate their fortieth, hundreds paying their last respects to someone they cared for at their funeral?

Abuse is rife.  Every day the length and breath of the country you can read about people being caught and fined for deliberately flouting simple Covid rules.

As for the government - any government would have given the same simple set of rules, social distance, stay in bubble, wash hands, wear masks in enclosed spaces - do you think people would follow these rules if they had a Labour government rather than a Conservative one???

Of course they wouldn't, they would do what they wanted no matter what political party was in charge.

The government could have done better of course - all the world's governments could have done better too!  Nobody had any experience of a worldwide pandemic in modern times.  None were prepared for it.  None knew all the answers to it.  It was trial and error, some decisions were the right ones others were the wrong ones.  

But the bottom line is the government DID give the right advise to limit the spread of the virus and the simple fact is that the majority of people DIDN'T follow them.

Let me give you just one fact to demonstrate why it is the people who spread the virus and not the government...

Only 18% of people self-isolate after developing coronavirus symptoms, UK study finds.  Research also shows just 11% of people in contact with those testing positive stay at home for 14 days.

Less than one-fifth of people in the UK who develop coronavirus symptoms are following the rules and self-isolating at home, a major new study indicates.

Research led by King’s College London showed most people intended to obey the guidelines and stay at home for 14 days – 70 per cent of those without symptoms said they would be willing to do so.

However, only 18 per cent of people who developed symptoms between March and August said they had actually self-isolated to stop the spread of the virus.

And in a worrying sign for the government’s contact-tracing operation, only 11 per cent of those in contact with someone testing positive for Covid-19 said they had stayed at home for two weeks.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-self-isolation-uk-rules-symptoms-police-fines-b594240.html

So 4 in every 5 people who believe they may well have Coronavirus and have been told to isolate DIDN'T and 9 out of 10 people in the same household and who should have isolated as well DIDN'T EITHER!!!

How the fuck is that the governments fault then that a huge percentage of those  people couldn't be arsed to follow the rules and spread the virus on to many others???

People spread the virus not governments and if people followed the simple rules in the first place things wouldn't have got so bad as they have and less people would have died.

It is as simple as that.

okocha wrote:It's so noticeable that Jacinda Ardern's strict but timely and caring decisions have been met with virtually no resistance in NZ. Behind her pronouncements, there is a clear affection for her people which is reciprocated. Compliance naturally follows.

Sluffy wrote:

I assume that's aimed at me.

A MINORITY haven't followed the rules... a MINORITY???

I don't know of a single person, including myself, who have followed the rules to the letter from day one.

Of course my 'bending' the rules a bit might only me very minor, I classed myself as a delivery driver in order to take some stuff my daughter needed from my house to hers a few miles away during the first lockdown but although I didn't get out of the car from my door to hers (and hers to mine) and we social distance when I handed her stuff over, it was still strictly speaking wrong to have done so - let me put it this way, I wouldn't dared to have done it if I was a Chinese bloke in China with their harsh treatment to anyone who disobeys.

So where does these types of bending the rules a little bit become full breaking of them, university students enjoying freshers party's because they know Covid is harmless to them, someone having the family and friends round to celebrate their fortieth, hundreds paying their last respects to someone they cared for at their funeral?

Abuse is rife.  Every day the length and breath of the country you can read about people being caught and fined for deliberately flouting simple Covid rules.

As for the government - any government would have given the same simple set of rules, social distance, stay in bubble, wash hands, wear masks in enclosed spaces - do you think people would follow these rules if they had a Labour government rather than a Conservative one???

Of course they wouldn't, they would do what they wanted no matter what political party was in charge.

The government could have done better of course - all the world's governments could have done better too!  Nobody had any experience of a worldwide pandemic in modern times.  None were prepared for it.  None knew all the answers to it.  It was trial and error, some decisions were the right ones others were the wrong ones.  

But the bottom line is the government DID give the right advise to limit the spread of the virus and the simple fact is that the majority of people DIDN'T follow them.

Let me give you just one fact to demonstrate why it is the people who spread the virus and not the government...

Only 18% of people self-isolate after developing coronavirus symptoms, UK study finds.  Research also shows just 11% of people in contact with those testing positive stay at home for 14 days.

Less than one-fifth of people in the UK who develop coronavirus symptoms are following the rules and self-isolating at home, a major new study indicates.

Research led by King’s College London showed most people intended to obey the guidelines and stay at home for 14 days – 70 per cent of those without symptoms said they would be willing to do so.

However, only 18 per cent of people who developed symptoms between March and August said they had actually self-isolated to stop the spread of the virus.

And in a worrying sign for the government’s contact-tracing operation, only 11 per cent of those in contact with someone testing positive for Covid-19 said they had stayed at home for two weeks.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-self-isolation-uk-rules-symptoms-police-fines-b594240.html

So 4 in every 5 people who believe they may well have Coronavirus and have been told to isolate DIDN'T and 9 out of 10 people in the same household and who should have isolated as well DIDN'T EITHER!!!

How the fuck is that the governments fault then that a huge percentage of those  people couldn't be arsed to follow the rules and spread the virus on to many others???

People spread the virus not governments and if people followed the simple rules in the first place things wouldn't have got so bad as they have and less people would have died.

It is as simple as that.

T.R.O.Y. wrote:It was aimed at both sides to be honest, calling the governments failure a genocide is unhelpful and undermines the actual crime of genocide. But suggesting that it's as simple as people following government rules is incredibly naive and i don't actually think you or Glos believe that.

xmiles wrote:If it really is "as simple as that" why does the UK have the highest covid deaths per capita?

https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/uk-officially-has-highest-coronavirus-death-rate-capita-world-3105186

Sluffy wrote:The government could have done better of course - all the world's governments could have done better too!  Nobody had any experience of a worldwide pandemic in modern times.  None were prepared for it.  None knew all the answers to it.  It was trial and error, some decisions were the right ones others were the wrong ones.  

But the bottom line is the government DID give the right advise to limit the spread of the virus and the simple fact is that the majority of people DIDN'T follow them.

People spread the virus not governments and if people followed the simple rules in the first place things wouldn't have got so bad as they have and less people would have died.